Is Manning hurt? What was the deal with the passes to the RBs in the flats that went for nothing? - The Orange Mane

KevinJames · 10-20-2013, 11:02 PM

A lot of the time it looked like that was their intended play call....we were playing very conservative, like something was wrong with Peyton.

2nd half it looked like we tried it for the 3 three and outs in a row we had.

Our offense was looking like the offense we had when Orton was the QB for a couple of plays WTF was going on tonight. If the defense wouldn't have bucked down we could of been blown out pretty badly due to these series of plays that we ran.

Adam Gase has been impressive all year but he left me scratching my head today thinking is Manning is hurt or is this just a bad play call with bad throws sprinkled in why else would they call nothing but short passes.

example:

(7:40) (Shotgun) 18-P.Manning pass short left to 27-K.Moreno to DEN 18 for 4 yards (30-L.Landry).

In the final quarter he had some real serious ducks out there, and I know Peyton doesn't have the strongest arm but this was different he seemed to lack arm strength from previous games, and if it wasn't for our WRs making unbelievable catches on those ducks we could of been in even more trouble.

Were they just calling these short plays because he was injured? Even when they were forced to throw it down field there was something about Peyton that looked way off. It seemed like he had to really step into the throws to get anything on them late in the game.

I know his numbers looked good this game, but the eyes told a different story we can't ignore. I am concerned about Peyton, should I be or am I reading too much into it?

theAPAOps5 · 10-20-2013, 11:07 PM

Not sure if this warranted ANOTHER thread. But yes there is something off. On in hit he was on camera for a brief second grabbing at an ankle. I still worry about that face mask he took in Dallas and any reoccurring damage to his neck.

But you also have to factor in that the OL protection has resorted to him making decisions in 1.5 seconds and there is no way he can plant his feet and make the reads. Where as earlier he had way more time to make progressions and set up for a good pass.

SonOfLe-loLang · 10-20-2013, 11:10 PM

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Originally Posted by KevinJames

A lot of the time it looked like that was their intended play call....we were playing very conservative, like something was wrong with Peyton.

2nd half it looked like we tried it for the 3 three and outs in a row we had.

Our offense was looking like the offense we had when Orton was the QB for a couple of plays WTF was going on tonight. If the defense wouldn't have bucked down we could of been blown out pretty badly due to these series of plays that we ran.

Adam Gase has been impressive all year but he left me scratching my head today thinking is Manning is hurt or is this just a bad play call with bad throws sprinkled in why else would they call nothing but short passes.

example:

(7:40) (Shotgun) 18-P.Manning pass short left to 27-K.Moreno to DEN 18 for 4 yards (30-L.Landry).

In the final quarter he had some real serious ducks out there, and I know Peyton doesn't have the strongest arm but this was different he seemed to lack arm strength from previous games, and if it wasn't for our WRs making unbelievable catches on those ducks we could of been in even more trouble.

Were they just calling these short plays because he was injured? Even when they were forced to throw it down field there was something about Peyton that looked way off. It seemed like he had to really step into the throws to get anything on them late in the game.

I know his numbers looked good this game, but the eyes told a different story we can't ignore. I am concerned about Peyton, should I be or am I reading too much into it?

The example you used was a screen pass I believe.

SonOfLe-loLang · 10-20-2013, 11:11 PM

But i share your concern....something isnt right

Sly_Eli · 10-20-2013, 11:14 PM

I posted in another thread my concern with the face mask in the dallas game and a drop in performance since then. Remember, last time manning screwed up his neck it wasn't 1 hit in particular, it was the slow nerve degeneration after multiple hits that eventually got so bad in 2010 that he was playing the worst of his career.

My concern immediately after seeing his neck pulled to the side two weeks ago was "****, I hope that doesn't cause him more nerve damage." And I think it's a legitimate concern, even though he finished that game strong. Time will tell, I guess, but it's something to keep an eye on.

KevinJames · 10-20-2013, 11:15 PM

^I don't think its THAT serious, I doubt it happened in a previous game because Peyton came out guns blazing with Decker, and until he took that shot from Mathis he wasn't the same.

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Originally Posted by SonOfLe-loLang

The example you used was a screen pass I believe.

Maybe but I thought it was the play that looked like a wheel route, the same one they kept running all night for some reason

SonOfLe-loLang · 10-20-2013, 11:16 PM

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Originally Posted by KevinJames

Maybe but I thought it was the play that looked like a wheel route, the same one they kept running all night for some reason

Maybe it was a wheel route, but there were blockers set up.

But i agree, im concerned. There's something wrong.

KevinJames · 10-20-2013, 11:19 PM

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Originally Posted by SonOfLe-loLang

Maybe it was a wheel route, but there were blockers set up.

But i agree, im concerned. There's something wrong.

Maybe I got to re-watch it.

They kept calling that play though and they kept running the ball almost every 1st down I wanted to rip my hair out.

rolandftw · 10-20-2013, 11:27 PM

I just think the Colts did a good job frustrating him. There were some awful play calls, and Denver couldn't get the ground game going at all. Really, never could get in sync

broncocalijohn · 10-20-2013, 11:30 PM

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Originally Posted by theAPAOps5

Not sure if this warranted ANOTHER thread. But yes there is something off. On in hit he was on camera for a brief second grabbing at an ankle. I still worry about that face mask he took in Dallas and any reoccurring damage to his neck.

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Mods closed all other relevant threads. This one will be too.

theAPAOps5 · 10-20-2013, 11:31 PM

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Originally Posted by broncocalijohn

Mods closed all other relevant threads. This one will be too.

Ah got, thanks for the heads up!

TheChamp24 · 10-20-2013, 11:33 PM

Its funny how awesome the offense looked when Peyton stopped giving a **** and was throwing it up for his WR's to make catches.

extralife · 10-20-2013, 11:34 PM

He's the same guy. He has no arm strength, but he didn't have arm strength last year or at any point during the first six games. The only difference is the Colts played man exclusively and their cover guys came to play. We got beat, plain and simple.

Bronco Yoda · 10-20-2013, 11:37 PM

Something was wrong with Manning's arm strength tonight. it was obvious to me anyway that something was wrong. I hope it's nothing serious.

Agamemnon · 10-20-2013, 11:47 PM

Looked the same to me other than him having some accuracy issues. Not sure what you people are talking about.

Ratboy · 10-21-2013, 12:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Agamemnon

Looked the same to me other than him having some accuracy issues. Not sure what you people are talking about.

It looked like he was having an off day, but arm strength isn't a concern right now. He chucked it down field multiple times.

El Guapo · 10-21-2013, 02:23 AM

I think the colts came to play and Manning wasn't right in the head (mentally). Couple that w the horrendous oline/TE blocking and there you have it. Oh, and lets not forget the pass D. Holy crap.

elsid13 · 10-21-2013, 03:02 AM

I don't think it was arm strength, rather the WR weren't able to break the press and Manning was taking what the defense gave him. Unfortunately we didn't get it done.

maher_tyler · 10-21-2013, 03:07 AM

Granted i only saw the highlights but i didn't see anything different.

ColoradoDarin · 10-21-2013, 06:10 AM

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Originally Posted by elsid13

I don't think it was arm strength, rather the WR weren't able to break the press and Manning was taking what the defense gave him. Unfortunately we didn't get it done.

This. We only started getting open when they had 3 DBs out.

i4jelway7 · 10-21-2013, 06:21 AM

Manning was injured in the Jax game... (remember him going to the locker room in the 1st half) ... he is still hurting

theAPAOps5 · 10-21-2013, 06:23 AM

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Originally Posted by TheReverend

There were a lot of big, strong men getting the **** kicked out of them by lil guys like Vontae, Butler and CASSIUS ****ING VAUGHN.

This

Rascal · 10-21-2013, 06:32 AM

In the presser a reporter asked Manning if the Mathis hit had an effect on his arm strength since it seemed like that play started the switch to floaters. Peyton played it off (joking that he throws a lot of wobbly passes... and wobbly TD's too), but you could tell the question bothered him a bit.

10-20-2013, 11:02 PM	#1
KevinJames HE-MANuel Sanders Join Date: Jul 2009 Posts: 2,671	Is Manning hurt? What was the deal with the passes to the RBs in the flats that went for nothing? A lot of the time it looked like that was their intended play call....we were playing very conservative, like something was wrong with Peyton. 2nd half it looked like we tried it for the 3 three and outs in a row we had. Our offense was looking like the offense we had when Orton was the QB for a couple of plays WTF was going on tonight. If the defense wouldn't have bucked down we could of been blown out pretty badly due to these series of plays that we ran. Adam Gase has been impressive all year but he left me scratching my head today thinking is Manning is hurt or is this just a bad play call with bad throws sprinkled in why else would they call nothing but short passes. example: (7:40) (Shotgun) 18-P.Manning pass short left to 27-K.Moreno to DEN 18 for 4 yards (30-L.Landry). In the final quarter he had some real serious ducks out there, and I know Peyton doesn't have the strongest arm but this was different he seemed to lack arm strength from previous games, and if it wasn't for our WRs making unbelievable catches on those ducks we could of been in even more trouble. Were they just calling these short plays because he was injured? Even when they were forced to throw it down field there was something about Peyton that looked way off. It seemed like he had to really step into the throws to get anything on them late in the game. I know his numbers looked good this game, but the eyes told a different story we can't ignore. I am concerned about Peyton, should I be or am I reading too much into it?

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10-20-2013, 11:07 PM	#2
theAPAOps5 A new beginning! Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Denver Posts: 34,400 Adopt-a-Bronco: Watermock - RIP	Not sure if this warranted ANOTHER thread. But yes there is something off. On in hit he was on camera for a brief second grabbing at an ankle. I still worry about that face mask he took in Dallas and any reoccurring damage to his neck. But you also have to factor in that the OL protection has resorted to him making decisions in 1.5 seconds and there is no way he can plant his feet and make the reads. Where as earlier he had way more time to make progressions and set up for a good pass.

10-20-2013, 11:11 PM	#4
SonOfLe-loLang Young Buck For Gort Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Los Angeles Posts: 43,273 Adopt-a-Bronco: Thunder (RIP)	But i share your concern....something isnt right

10-20-2013, 11:14 PM	#5
Sly_Eli Perennial Pro-bowler Join Date: Sep 2013 Location: SoCal Posts: 904	I posted in another thread my concern with the face mask in the dallas game and a drop in performance since then. Remember, last time manning screwed up his neck it wasn't 1 hit in particular, it was the slow nerve degeneration after multiple hits that eventually got so bad in 2010 that he was playing the worst of his career. My concern immediately after seeing his neck pulled to the side two weeks ago was "****, I hope that doesn't cause him more nerve damage." And I think it's a legitimate concern, even though he finished that game strong. Time will tell, I guess, but it's something to keep an eye on.

10-20-2013, 11:27 PM	#9
rolandftw Ring of Famer Join Date: Sep 2013 Posts: 1,614 Adopt-a-Bronco: None	I just think the Colts did a good job frustrating him. There were some awful play calls, and Denver couldn't get the ground game going at all. Really, never could get in sync

10-20-2013, 11:33 PM	#12
TheChamp24 Future HOF...CHAMP BAILEY The Legend Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Broncos Country Posts: 5,540	Its funny how awesome the offense looked when Peyton stopped giving a **** and was throwing it up for his WR's to make catches.

10-20-2013, 11:34 PM	#13
extralife Ring of Famer Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 6,147	He's the same guy. He has no arm strength, but he didn't have arm strength last year or at any point during the first six games. The only difference is the Colts played man exclusively and their cover guys came to play. We got beat, plain and simple.

10-20-2013, 11:37 PM	#14
Bronco Yoda . Join Date: Aug 2001 Posts: 20,295	Something was wrong with Manning's arm strength tonight. it was obvious to me anyway that something was wrong. I hope it's nothing serious.

10-20-2013, 11:47 PM	#15
Agamemnon Ring of Famer Elway needs to go to AA. Join Date: Sep 2013 Posts: 34,406 Adopt-a-Bronco: Phillip Lindsay	Looked the same to me other than him having some accuracy issues. Not sure what you people are talking about.

10-21-2013, 02:23 AM	#17
El Guapo aka mav_7. who? Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Earth Posts: 4,869	I think the colts came to play and Manning wasn't right in the head (mentally). Couple that w the horrendous oline/TE blocking and there you have it. Oh, and lets not forget the pass D. Holy crap.

10-21-2013, 03:02 AM	#18
elsid13 Lost In Space Bóg, Honor, Ojczyzna Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: DC Posts: 23,101	I don't think it was arm strength, rather the WR weren't able to break the press and Manning was taking what the defense gave him. Unfortunately we didn't get it done.

10-21-2013, 03:07 AM	#19
maher_tyler Ring of Famer HoFer Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: ND Posts: 9,030	Granted i only saw the highlights but i didn't see anything different.

10-21-2013, 06:21 AM	#21
i4jelway7 Ring of Famer In Elway I Trust Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 3,010	Manning was injured in the Jax game... (remember him going to the locker room in the 1st half) ... he is still hurting

10-21-2013, 06:32 AM	#23
Rascal RIP Join Date: Mar 2004 Posts: 18,052 Adopt-a-Bronco: Turf	In the presser a reporter asked Manning if the Mathis hit had an effect on his arm strength since it seemed like that play started the switch to floaters. Peyton played it off (joking that he throws a lot of wobbly passes... and wobbly TD's too), but you could tell the question bothered him a bit.