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Old 12-31-2018, 06:29 PM   #51
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Yep. They have drafted pretty damn good.

Luck is an elite freak. My favorite QB in the league and thatís not just cause Iím Stanford Biased. Heís amazingly fun to watch.

My wish pick to win the super bowl.
I'd love to see them win it but dont see it happening. Would be a hell of a story.

Depending what they do in FA/draft next year, they'll be a trendy pick next year. That OL is really ****ing good.
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Old 12-31-2018, 06:43 PM   #52
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Pat Mahomes is the 34th highest paid
Mitch Trubisky is 28th
Carson Wentz is 27th
Jared Goff is the 26th
Nick Foles is the 20th.

https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/rankings/quarterback/
And of course Tom Brady is the 17th, but you asked about the 20th on down.
Why?
I meant performance
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Old 12-31-2018, 07:05 PM   #53
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Are you aware of how contract negotiations work and how market dictates price? Dealing with agents?

How would you avoid paying them when they are up for negotiation?

I mean you would not "cut them" but you would just let them go?

Don't blame you, but that would take huge freaking balls.
Yep. I'm not paying a QB like he's Manning when he's putting up numbers like he's Cutler.
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Old 12-31-2018, 07:07 PM   #54
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I would offer up our 10th pick for Carr.
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Letís give the raiders 1 billion dollars, lindsay and Sutton and ten firsts for him
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Awful idea, Carr isnt that good.
Is there a QB in the draft better? Especially at 10?

His deal is set for the next 4 years and is like $2mill more than Cases and I think it goes down each year starting in 2019.

Couple him with a better OC.

John should have enough to go get a TE and a 2nd WR along with another vet CB if they cut Case, Marshall.

Resign Shelby Harris, let Peko walk, hell they could afford a Vet MLB too.

Don't we get dead cap relief too? It was in the $20 Mill mark last I checked.
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Is there a QB in the draft better? Especially at 10?
Yes. More than one. And they'd be a lot cheaper. Why are you trying to make the Raiders better?
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Is there a QB in the draft better? Especially at 10?
Lock, Haskins, Grier, Jones > giving the Raiders a top 10 pick.
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1. Aaron Rodgers: $33.5M Holds the ball way too long. Right now , he stinks but thinks he's great. Watching guys run wide open but can't pull the trigger.
2. Matt Ryan: $30M Good QB but needs a good OC.
3. Kirk Cousins: $28M OK QB but needs a great OC.
4. Jimmy Garoppolo: $27.5M Got hurt. Incomplete grade.
5. Matthew Stafford: $27M - Totally stinks. He's just collecting paychecks and is a coward. Would rather throw to hacks than his best players. Total loser.
6. Derek Carr: $25M He's a Carr and now he's been Grudened.

The future superstars are Baker Mayfield and Pat Mahomes.
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So this proves Keesum isn't straight ****?
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Pretty disrespectful of Jimmy G to not make the playoffs after blowing out his knee one month in the season. Smdh
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What's your solution then? IF we draft and hit on a QB, you wont pay them. Lunacy.

Will admit we probably dodged a bullet with Cousins though it looks like.
This is exactly why I want to draft my QBOTF it gives you a few seasons to bolster roster around them before big contract comes. We could do this year but, it kills roster building elsewhere and we need 1 probably 2 CB's and more. They need a QB only cap in next cba.
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that's a stupid fact. QB's haven't started making that kind of money until recently
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that's a stupid fact. QB's haven't started making that kind of money until recently
Five years ago 4 QB's made $20mil or more. Four years ago 7 did. And so on. And none of them have won a Super Bowl. I'm not sure what's "stupid" about that.
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Five years ago 4 QB's made $20mil or more. Four years ago 7 did. And so on. And none of them have won a Super Bowl. I'm not sure what's "stupid" about that.


So how many SBs were played before 5 years ago? Thatís why itís considered dumb. Should say in this new era cause no one was making that money back then. Itís a smaller sample size than whatís being perceived as ďever winning a SBĒ.






I guess the formula is draft your QB, play him on the rookie contract then let him walk on his 2nd contract after winning a SB. Then again the same people want them sitting and developing halfway into their rookie contracts.



QBs get paid. And that bothers people.
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But a QB making $17.5 mil did. So I guess $2.5 mil is the key.
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So how many SBs were played before 5 years ago? Thatís why itís considered dumb. Should say in this new era cause no one was making that money back then. Itís a smaller sample size than whatís being perceived as ďever winning a SBĒ.

I guess the formula is draft your QB, play him on the rookie contract then let him walk on his 2nd contract after winning a SB. Then again the same people want them sitting and developing halfway into their rookie contracts.

QBs get paid. And that bothers people.
I think some of y'all overthink this a little bit. Nobody's saying you can't win a Super Bowl with a $20mil+ QB. But the evidence suggests it's more difficult to do so. And it's just common sense that it would be. If you QB makes $25mil, for example, that's 14% of your cap space. Meaning you have to minimize in other areas. Nothing controversial. It is what it is.
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I think some of y'all overthink this a little bit. Nobody's saying you can't win a Super Bowl with a $20mil+ QB. But the evidence suggests it's more difficult to do so. And it's just common sense that it would be. If you QB makes $25mil, for example, that's 14% of your cap space. Meaning you have to minimize in other areas. Nothing controversial. It is what it is.
Yea, but then you are assuming $6 mil is the causation in that hypothesis.

What does that really get you? Is $6 mil a difference maker on a cap of $177 mil?

Probably not.
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I think some of y'all overthink this a little bit. Nobody's saying you can't win a Super Bowl with a $20mil+ QB. But the evidence suggests it's more difficult to do so. And it's just common sense that it would be. If you QB makes $25mil, for example, that's 14% of your cap space. Meaning you have to minimize in other areas. Nothing controversial. It is what it is.
I agree with this. I think it's self-explanatory and can't be argued when phrased in this manner. It's all about resource management. You can win with an insanely expensive QB, but you have to hit home runs on draft picks and UDFA to fill in the gaps on the team, and then you have to hope the few studs you do have outside the QB don't get injured because your depth is probably shallow and/or inexperienced.
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Five years ago 4 QB's made $20mil or more. Four years ago 7 did. And so on. And none of them have won a Super Bowl. I'm not sure what's "stupid" about that.
stupid, meaningless, whatever

sample size is too small. 1 year from now and $20 million per is going to be the norm for a-holes like Keenum.

also this:

The salary cap has increased by roughly $10 million per season since 2013, when it was $123 million.
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Would have been a better stat to use % of cap instead of nominal dollars.
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Fact no QB has ever QB two separate teams to a Super Bowl until its not a fact.

I bet this fact is useless after this year.
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Would have been a better stat to use % of cap instead of nominal dollars.
Denver won it with Manning taking up 11.66%.

Bress takes up 13.52% this year.

Can Brees change the paradigm by 1.86%.

We shall see!
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Yea, but then you are assuming $6 mil is the causation in that hypothesis.

What does that really get you? Is $6 mil a difference maker on a cap of $177 mil?

Probably not.
You're looking at this myopically. $6 mil in one year, but QB contracts are multiple year. And you may not be able to land some FA's, or extend some of your own players, because you offer a player $7mil but somebody else offers $2mil. So the high salary impacts you over multiple years. If Denver signed Cousins last year they wouldn't have been able to make other moves that they made. It's a ripple effect. And again, I'm not saying you can't win with an expensive QB. Or that you shouldn't pay a QB big money. I'm just saying what is obvious and logical: paying a QB (or any player, really) big money results in limitations elsewhere. Teams with good, cheap QB's have a huge advantage over teams that don't.

Read this article if you haven't already: http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/2...-barnwell-2018
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