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Old 01-12-2019, 08:38 PM   #126
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I am with you on Murray, but not at pick #10. That is definitely a gamble, but the risk v. reward factor could be huge.
I think some team will roll the dice early on Murray if he convinces them he's committed to football, and isn't keeping baseball in his mind as a fall back option. I don't expect that team will be the Broncos though. I expect the Broncos to go after Lock.
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Old 01-12-2019, 08:38 PM   #127
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Kinda. I think Wolfe is toast. He's below average. I know he's a vocal guy and a SB winner here with a lot of sentimental value to fans but I think he's a casualty this offseason. And I don't see Marshall, Peko or Roby back either. I see a lot of change.
I do think Callahan comes and a FA DT. I also think hey will target RT Ju'Waun James and TE Jesse James. Elway was very interested in James last year and was trying to trade for him. And IRman to me is just meh. Butt is an injury mess and Fumagalli is out injured. I think Elway will just buy a TE and draft another late. James won't be too expensive I dont think.
I think Wolfe stays at a reduced cost because of Fangio.

Stewart/Marshall are toast imo, and Peko is probably gone, as well as Roby.

I think TE will be addressed in the draft, it's a really good class.
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Old 01-12-2019, 08:40 PM   #128
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I think TE will be addressed in the draft, it's a really good class.
This is an amazing TE class. I love it.
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Old 01-12-2019, 08:41 PM   #129
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On a side note, I really don't see how DeMarcus Walker breaks into the rotation for this team. Never liked the pick to begin with, but in a one-gap scheme it wasn't THAT far-fetched he could shape his body into a rotational 3-4 DE. Now? He's a terrible fit. They might not even need him as a 3rd down specialist anymore with the way Gotsis looked down the stretch. Just a dumb draft pick.
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Old 01-12-2019, 08:43 PM   #130
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I think Wolfe stays at a reduced cost because of Fangio.

Stewart/Marshall are toast imo, and Peko is probably gone, as well as Roby.

I think TE will be addressed in the draft, it's a really good class.
Yeah, it is. I'm just tired of every guy they draft getting injured. They never pan out. Kinda want an immediate starter level guy. It's a glaring hole, and whoever is playing QB next year is gonna need a TE to help him out a bit.
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On a side note, I really don't see how DeMarcus Walker breaks into the rotation for this team. Never liked the pick to begin with, but in a one-gap scheme it wasn't THAT far-fetched he could shape his body into a rotational 3-4 DE. Now? He's a terrible fit. They might not even need him as a 3rd down specialist anymore with the way Gotsis looked down the stretch. Just a dumb draft pick.
Wolfe, Harris, Gotsis, NT, Walker is an okay group.
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Yeah, it is. I'm just tired of every guy they draft getting injured. They never pan out. Kinda want an immediate starter level guy. It's a glaring hole, and whoever is playing QB next year is gonna need a TE to help him out a bit.
They need to stop drafting these stiffs and go get an athlete at tight end.
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Wolfe, Harris, Gotsis, NT, Walker is an okay group.
First four (fourth probably Kerr/Peko) is a nice group. Walker's going to get absolutely bullied in Vic's scheme. Pancake city.
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Wolfe, Harris, Gotsis, NT, Walker is an okay group.
It's meh to me. Would like another 3-4 DE drafted.
I really like the Iowa kid, Anthony Nelson in the 4th. It's a deep class.
I don't think Walker will ever play in DEN. AND Wolfe is just a below average player now. I don't like it but he's just not the same.
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First four (fourth probably Kerr/Peko) is a nice group. Walker's going to get absolutely bullied in Vic's scheme. Pancake city.
Bullard who started for Chi was 295, Walker was 280. He needs to gain some muscle, but i dont think he'd be totally wrecked in his scheme.
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Bullard who started for Chi was 295, Walker was 280. He needs to gain some muscle, but i dont think he'd be totally wrecked in his scheme.
Not as easy as just putting on extra weight. He doesn't have that kind of brute strength. He's a gap-shooting UT, period. He'd be as out of place as he was on the edge.

But that's okay. I just like to tell myself we drafted Shelby Harris at that pick.
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Bullard who started for Chi was 295, Walker was 280. He needs to gain some muscle, but i dont think he'd be totally wrecked in his scheme.
What WAS DEN FA available cap,space with Marshall, Wolfe, Roby and Peko gone? It was like 85 MIL right? I asked the other day. I'll write it down this time!
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What WAS DEN FA available cap,space with Marshall, Wolfe, Roby and Peko gone? It was like 85 MIL right? I asked the other day. I'll write it down this time!
Roby and Peko dont count since they expire.

I'll throw in Stewart too, i think hes cut. I also kinda wonder with Kubiak gone if Keenum could be cut. He was his biggest supporter. But we'd need to get some replacement and QB's aint cheap.

Wolfe, Marshall, Stewart would put us at 62 under. I think Keenum will be asked to restructure in some kind, 21 mil cap hit is no bueno. Wolfe i think stays but will be asked to restructure.

We have a ton of money expiring after this year so Elway could backload alot of contracts if he wants fit them in.
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Man, I really wanted Bullard when he came out.
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Man, I really wanted Bullard when he came out.
Bullard was my guy that draft, that one hurt inside.
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Roby and Peko dont count since they expire.

I'll throw in Stewart too, i think hes cut. I also kinda wonder with Kubiak gone if Keenum could be cut. He was his biggest supporter. But we'd need to get some replacement and QB's aint cheap.

Wolfe, Marshall, Stewart would put us at 62 under. I think Keenum will be asked to restructure in some kind, 21 mil cap hit is no bueno. Wolfe i think stays but will be asked to restructure.

We have a ton of money expiring after this year so Elway could backload alot of contracts if he wants fit them in.
So Mosley, Callahan and JuWaun James are definetly doable? Maybe even one more FA depending?
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Mike Klis said back in 2014 that Elway tried to trade up for CJ Mosley:

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No disrespect to Bradley Roby. He’s a highly talented cornerback prospect. It’s just that no team waiting until the No. 31 draft pick winds up with its first choice.

The Broncos had Virginia Tech’s Kyle Fuller right there with Roby at the top of their cornerback board. But Fuller went No. 14 to the Chicago Bears. Starting with Pittsburgh’s pick at No. 15, the Broncos then tried to trade up and get Alabama middle linebacker C.J. Mosley.

But the asking price by the Steelers at No. 15, Dallas Cowboys at No. 16 and Baltimore Ravens at No. 17 were deemed too steep. The Ravens took Mosley at No. 17 and the Broncos spent the rest of the draft hoping Roby would be there.


“It was a very busy evening,” said Broncos general manager John Elway. “We were trying to move up and the price was too high to move up. There really wasn’t an opportunity to move up, but we tried.”
I still haven't read anything about the Ravens using the tag on Mosley or letting him hit the open market, but Elway must be very interested.
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First four (fourth probably Kerr/Peko) is a nice group. Walker's going to get absolutely bullied in Vic's scheme. Pancake city.
What do you think Vic's scheme is exactly?
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What do you think Vic's scheme is exactly?
As it pertains to Walker and the DL, it's principally a two-gap front. Doesn't fit Walker at all. Not that I think he can play anyway.
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So did I. Florida was churning out some interesting draft prospects at DT back then.
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As it pertains to Walker and the DL, it's principally a two-gap front. Doesn't fit Walker at all. Not that I think he can play anyway.
That doesn’t apply to passing situations, which is the obvious place where Walker would be used. On top of that Fangio is well known for scheming to his players rather than just running a static “system”.
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That doesn’t apply to passing situations, which is the obvious place where Walker would be used. On top of that Fangio is well known for scheming to his players rather than just running a static “system”.
He wouldn't even be a primary option in those situations. Shelby Harris will be on the field in obvious passing situations and Gotsis has earned his place next to him. So at best he's a bit player who has no use on early downs. It was a bad pick.

Fangio is flexible, but he will scheme to the benefit of his difference makers, not cater to a guy who couldn't get on the field for two years.
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He wouldn't even be a primary option in those situations. Shelby Harris will be on the field in obvious passing situations and Gotsis has earned his place next to him. So at best he's a bit player who has no use on early downs. It was a bad pick.

Fangio is flexible, but he will scheme to the benefit of his difference makers, not cater to a guy who couldn't get on the field for two years.
We shall see. I still think Radio and Woods completely ****ed him over, and he’s a talented player.
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We shall see. I still think Radio and Woods completely ****ed him over, and he’s a talented player.
Tough to defend VJ under any circumstances, but I think Kollar is respected enough that if he ever went to bat for him, he would have seen some time. Not to mention Elway who couldn't have been happy seeing a 2nd rounder rotting on the bench every week.

I thought he was a Day 3 guy. What I saw in college was a guy who basically feasted on immobile college guards in one-on-one passing situations with a couple moves and looked like a liability everywhere else. But it's kind of worked itself out with Shelby Harris coming out of nowhere. Anything they get out of Walker at this point is gravy.
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