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Old 02-20-2018, 08:48 AM   #26
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agree and if we lose Harris or Roby to injury YIKES it gets ugly fast.
How many teams have 3 quality CB like the Broncos? You guys make it seem like Talib is the only CB we got and the rest are scrubs.

No team in the NFL has quality at the CB position like we have.
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Old 02-20-2018, 03:00 PM   #27
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Old 02-20-2018, 04:08 PM   #29
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How many teams have 3 quality CB like the Broncos? You guys make it seem like Talib is the only CB we got and the rest are scrubs.

No team in the NFL has quality at the CB position like we have.
I know I never said, any were scrubs. I just said, the Broncos will likely move on from Talib. We go from 3 good CB's to 2. As long as they stay healthy we'll be ok but, if one gets hurt it could get scary,
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How many teams have 3 quality CB like the Broncos? You guys make it seem like Talib is the only CB we got and the rest are scrubs.

No team in the NFL has quality at the CB position like we have.
Quality is great when you have 3 and can man up with any WR's in the league. When you have 2 and then have to develop another 3rd CB and you go from Talib, Harris and Roby as your top 3 to Harris, Roby and a rookie or Langley...that's a big ass difference.
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Quality is great when you have 3 and can man up with any WR's in the league. When you have 2 and then have to develop another 3rd CB and you go from Talib, Harris and Roby as your top 3 to Harris, Roby and a rookie or Langley...that's a big ass difference.
Not that big of a difference. We can sign a CB for 1/2 of what Talib makes and only see slight drop off. The team heading into 2017 saw Talib, Harris, Roby and Langley. You can't say that just because the Broncos cut Talib, the new line up will be Harris, Roby, Langley and some scrub. I would assume they sign another CB to take over the #3 position unless they see Langley is the future.
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Talib makes the NO FLY ZONE. They are in the nickle formation 60% of the time. Denver needs 3 quality CBs. If they cut Talib for money they have to replace him and there is no one on the roster that is a quality 3rd CB, so they would have to draft one or get a cheap CB in FA. Thus if Talib is cut there is no way Denver is not worse at CB this year. $10 million ain't **** for a QB. Suck it up and get your money elsewhere. KEEP TALIB

Restructuring DT's contract would save $9 million on the cap AND if Denver doesn't get Cousins they really won't need Talib's money.

Cutting him would be a horrible move. Denver has had a top 5 secondary the last 3 years cutting him would weaken the team immensely.
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Not that big of a difference. We can sign a CB for 1/2 of what Talib makes and only see slight drop off. The team heading into 2017 saw Talib, Harris, Roby and Langley. You can't say that just because the Broncos cut Talib, the new line up will be Harris, Roby, Langley and some scrub. I would assume they sign another CB to take over the #3 position unless they see Langley is the future.
It's going to be a big drop off. No one available on the CB market will be as good as Talib and they will cost likely 5-6 mil.
The best CB's are likely to be Trumaine Johnson and Patrick Robinson.
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It's going to be a big drop off. No one available on the CB market will be as good as Talib and they will cost likely 5-6 mil.
The best CB's are likely to be Trumaine Johnson and Patrick Robinson.
My point is this, if the Eagles can win the SB with a slightly better than average CB then the Broncos should be able to also win the SB with an all pro and soon to be pro bowl CB. The team desperately needs balance on offense and defense.

As it stands right now, 15 of the players with the biggest cap are 9 defensive, 1 special teams and 5 offensive. After cutting CJ and Watson, that number shrinks to 3. How can a team be balanced with those numbers? Not only that, Von cap number equals to 2 of your top offensive players.
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My point is this, if the Eagles can win the SB with a slightly better than average CB then the Broncos should be able to also win the SB with an all pro and soon to be pro bowl CB. The team desperately needs balance on offense and defense.

As it stands right now, 15 of the players with the biggest cap are 9 defensive, 1 special teams and 5 offensive. After cutting CJ and Watson, that number shrinks to 3. How can a team be balanced with those numbers? Not only that, Von cap number equals to 2 of your top offensive players.
Eagles won the SB witj a loaded team, especially at DL.
You can have lesser CB's & still win if you can always generate pressure.
Broncos are a zone team with coverage issues at ILB, there is no "slight" downgrade to losing Talib.
DB's can't hold up if you run out a weaker 3rd.
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How many teams have 3 quality CB like the Broncos? You guys make it seem like Talib is the only CB we got and the rest are scrubs.

No team in the NFL has quality at the CB position like we have.
I wouldn't be worried if we were most teams.

When Denver loses talent Elway usually replaces it with utter trash.

Davis for Trevathan.
Green for Julius.
Norwood/Fowler for Welker.
Crick for Malik.
Siemian & Co for Manning.

Lose Talib and our #3 will be the offspring of Roc Alexander. Watch.
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Eagles won the SB witj a loaded team, especially at DL.
You can have lesser CB's & still win if you can always generate pressure.
Broncos are a zone team with coverage issues at ILB, there is no "slight" downgrade to losing Talib.
DB's can't hold up if you run out a weaker 3rd.
So what is the issue? the Dline, ILB or secondary? I don't care how good your CBs are, they can't cover a WR for 5 seconds.
According to you, the fix is not to keep Talib. The fix is to draft Chubb, pick up a ILB and your defense is set.
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I wouldn't be worried if we were most teams.

When Denver loses talent Elway usually replaces it with utter trash.

Davis for Trevathan.
Green for Julius.
Norwood/Fowler for Welker.
Crick for Malik.
Siemian & Co for Manning.

Lose Talib and our #3 will be the offspring of Roc Alexander. Watch.
Please correct me if I am wrong, but all those players you listed... wasn't it Elway who signed or drafted them in the first place?

Trevathan and Malik were cap casualties. If you want to blame someone, blame Von. He demanded to be the top paid defensive player. It also didn't help that it was the same year Manning retired and the Broncos needed the money to resign Brock.

Julius was never going to resign with the Broncos. He was going to go to the highest bidder. Thank god we didn't resign him

Welker was a shadow of himself. Didn't we technically replace Welker with Sanders

You don't replace a Manning. Franchise QB only come around every few decades. Some teams never get a franchise QB. Some teams think they got a franchise QB only to get duds.
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So what is the issue? the Dline, ILB or secondary? I don't care how good your CBs are, they can't cover a WR for 5 seconds.
According to you, the fix is not to keep Talib. The fix is to draft Chubb, pick up a ILB and your defense is set.
Or...you can keep Talib, draft Chubb, pick up and ILB and draft a CB to groom so that when you do allow Talib to walk it's not so massive a drop off and that you don't have to reach into FA to fix it.
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Or...you can keep Talib, draft Chubb, pick up and ILB and draft a CB to groom so that when you do allow Talib to walk it's not so massive a drop off and that you don't have to reach into FA to fix it.
good luck signing Cousins, ILB, TE and still have enough money to resigning Paradise, Roby, Shelby Harris, Barrett and Latimer. Cutting Watson and CJ will only get you 9mil. With the 26mil projected under the cap, we will have 35mil. If you think that is enough to sign all those players and sign the players drafted. You are very optimistic.

Lets be clear... I hope I am wrong. As I have stated many times, I hope Talib stays and he retires as a Broncos. It doesn't make sense keeping Talib when you got a probowler on the bench. I just hope they cap wizards find the money keep Talib.
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good luck signing Cousins, ILB, TE and still have enough money to resigning Paradise, Roby, Shelby Harris, Barrett and Latimer. Cutting Watson and CJ will only get you 9mil. With the 26mil projected under the cap, we will have 35mil. If you think that is enough to sign all those players and sign the players drafted. You are very optimistic.

Lets be clear... I hope I am wrong. As I have stated many times, I hope Talib stays and he retires as a Broncos. It doesn't make sense keeping Talib when you got a probowler on the bench. I just hope they cap wizards find the money keep Talib.
Nowhere in there did I say sign Cousins.
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Nowhere in there did I say sign Cousins.
and your suggestion for QB since we aren't drafting one?
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and your suggestion for QB since we aren't drafting one?
I would draft a QB at #5 or trade up to get my guy if needed.
But in the scenario of Chubb being there at #5 and being the pick...
I would sign a QB like Bridgewater, McCarron or Taylor(assuming he's cut) and then grab a QB in round 2 or trade back into the 1st if the opportunity presented itself.
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I would draft a QB at #5 or trade up to get my guy if needed.
But in the scenario of Chubb being there at #5 and being the pick...
I would sign a QB like Bridgewater, McCarron or Taylor(assuming he's cut) and then grab a QB in round 2 or trade back into the 1st if the opportunity presented itself.
It depends how much you're signing these guys for. If you're signing macarron for 18 mil, you friggin better be in on McCarron. If you sign Tyrod for like 5 mil, then thats a diff story.

Though, judging by history, most late 1st rounder QBs/Early 2nd round QBs blow chunks.
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I would draft a QB at #5 or trade up to get my guy if needed.
But in the scenario of Chubb being there at #5 and being the pick...
I would sign a QB like Bridgewater, McCarron or Taylor(assuming he's cut) and then grab a QB in round 2 or trade back into the 1st if the opportunity presented itself.
I am afraid Bridgewater, McCarron and Taylor are nothing but temp fixes. They will get us many 8-8 seasons. Good enough for us to draft a non impact player, but not good enough to get us in the playoffs.
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It depends how much you're signing these guys for. If you're signing macarron for 18 mil, you friggin better be in on McCarron. If you sign Tyrod for like 5 mil, then thats a diff story.

Though, judging by history, most late 1st rounder QBs/Early 2nd round QBs blow chunks.
You have Kubiak, Musgrave, Sullivan, Chryst and Kugler.
If you cannot develop a QB between those guys....your scouting sucks donkey nuts.

More and more these days, if you want the QB to succeed you have to set them up for success and surround them with talent.
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I am afraid Bridgewater, McCarron and Taylor are nothing but temp fixes. They will get us many 8-8 seasons. Good enough for us to draft a non impact player, but not good enough to get us in the playoffs.
They are just short term bridge fixes to win enough to maintain your job and then let the QB of the future marinate.
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They are just short term bridge fixes to win enough to maintain your job and then let the QB of the future marinate.
and who is QBOTF if you're not drafting one this year?
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and who is QBOTF if you're not drafting one this year?
I am drafting 1 this year.

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That was the bottom half of the post you quoted earlier.
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I am drafting 1 this year.



That was the bottom half of the post you quoted earlier.
You got very high hopes for a late 1st rounder early 2nd rd QB.

Remember, the talk is not letting this SB caliber defense go to waste.
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