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Old 01-28-2018, 10:22 AM   #101
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Probably not but Broncos are desperate for a QB.
Oh, I think odds Elway spending money at QB is far more likely to happen than him drafting and hoping for another rookie to do the job.
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Old 01-28-2018, 10:41 AM   #102
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Oh, I think odds Elway spending money at QB is far more likely to happen than him drafting and hoping for another rookie to do the job.
I think both are in play, i dont know if Elway goes to 30 mil a year though.

But if Kirk isnt tagged, i do think they'll go for him.
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I remember Cooper was the safest pick in the draft, had HOF potential, the next Randall McDaniel, etc. etc.
Cooper and Warmack were supposed to be the next monster HOF OG's.

Neither was as good as Nelson is.

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Oh, I think odds Elway spending money at QB is far more likely to happen than him drafting and hoping for another rookie to do the job.
It depends upon the market, if there is little on the market then the odds increase for us drafting and developing a QB, especially considering the staff is proficient at developing. At least the previous experience of the staff shows they are proficient at it.
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Cooper and Warmack were solid prospects but none warranted HOF talk like they do with Nelson.

If we got Cousins, i'd probably go elsewhere but Nelson is worthy of a top 5 pick.
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Cooper and Warmack were solid prospects but none warranted HOF talk like they do with Nelson.

If we got Cousins, i'd probably go elsewhere but Nelson is worthy of a top 5 pick.
I just go with the fact the Broncos OL has been bad for awhile now and you pass on Nelson?
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Old 01-28-2018, 11:44 AM   #106
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Cooper and Warmack were solid prospects but none warranted HOF talk like they do with Nelson.

If we got Cousins, i'd probably go elsewhere but Nelson is worthy of a top 5 pick.
No prospect is worthy of HoF talk before they even play a single down in the NFL.
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Old 01-28-2018, 11:45 AM   #107
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I just go with the fact the Broncos OL has been bad for awhile now and you pass on Nelson?
Everyone knows that the cornerstone of every great team is having a great guard...

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No prospect is worthy of HoF talk before they even play a single down in the NFL.
I'd probably take Minkah if we trade/cut Talib. He's on level with Ramsey as a prospect to me, he's special. Elway's never taken a Bama player though, i wish someone in the media would ask him why.

This draft has deep interior OL players.
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Everyone knows that the cornerstone of every great team is having a great guard...

Well the Cowboys offense was in part keyed by Larry Allen in the dynasty years.
Out of the OL in the HOF there are 18 guards and 28 OT's(6-8 or which also played G).

So the overall theory that a OT is superior to a OG in team building doesn't fully hold up.
Teams prefer them to an OG as do fans.
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Well the Cowboys offense was in part keyed by Larry Allen in the dynasty years.
Out of the OL in the HOF there are 18 guards and 28 OT's(6-8 or which also played G).

So the overall theory that a OT is superior to a OG in team building doesn't fully hold up.
Teams prefer them to an OG as do fans.
Was Larry Allen the MVP of those Cowboy teams in your opinion?
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Was Larry Allen the MVP of those Cowboy teams in your opinion?

Are we arguing the value of Larry Allen to Emmitt Smith and the cowboys offense? I wouldn't say no to a new larry allen. At 5 would be hard to deal with, but if he is the best player, then I guess you make that move. If the guard in question is Larry Allen-esque.


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They arent going QB in the 2nd or 3rd, no one good is worth it there.

There's a possibility 6 QB's go in Round 1: Allen, Darnold, Mayfield, Rosen, Rudolph and Jackson. Then what's left? Next to nothing.

Only way they dont go QB is if they sign Cousins.
Wouldn't be so sure. Just can't see them taking Mayfield or Allen at 5. Rosen somehow falling is the only way I see a QB there. Now maybe they trade back a few spots and take Allen then. I don't think Mayfield is getting past the Jets but I still don't think we will take him at 5.

And I would bet my left testicle Cousins isn't coming here.
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Denver needs a guard.

If they don't take Nelson in the Top 10, they will miss out on him

Based off the Senior Bowl week, it sounds like Hernandez is moving into the first round. Unless they move up for him, they will miss out on him too.

Do you think Isaiah Wynn is going to be there at #40? Possibly. There are a few other guards, but Denver needs a starter at the position.

I agree that a guard early on, especially that high, is not a "sexy" pick, but Nelson is the best OL in this class and Denver has holes on the OL. I wouldn't be pissed if they got him.
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Was Larry Allen the MVP of those Cowboy teams in your opinion?
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Denver needs a guard.

If they don't take Nelson in the Top 10, they will miss out on him

Based off the Senior Bowl week, it sounds like Hernandez is moving into the first round. Unless they move up for him, they will miss out on him too.

Do you think Isaiah Wynn is going to be there at #40? Possibly. There are a few other guards, but Denver needs a starter at the position.

I agree that a guard early on, especially that high, is not a "sexy" pick, but Nelson is the best OL in this class and Denver has holes on the OL. I wouldn't be pissed if they got him.
The trenches are never sexy but that's where you win from in the NFL.
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Are we arguing the value of Larry Allen to Emmitt Smith and the cowboys offense? I wouldn't say no to a new larry allen. At 5 would be hard to deal with, but if he is the best player, then I guess you make that move. If the guard in question is Larry Allen-esque.


That's a big if.
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Denver needs a guard.

If they don't take Nelson in the Top 10, they will miss out on him

Based off the Senior Bowl week, it sounds like Hernandez is moving into the first round. Unless they move up for him, they will miss out on him too.

Do you think Isaiah Wynn is going to be there at #40? Possibly. There are a few other guards, but Denver needs a starter at the position.

I agree that a guard early on, especially that high, is not a "sexy" pick, but Nelson is the best OL in this class and Denver has holes on the OL. I wouldn't be pissed if they got him.

I think part of Bolles' issues were due in part to being next to the revolving door of Garcia/Barbre/McGovern. Set a Leary or a Nelson/Hernandez next to him and I bet he improves.

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That's a big if.

Part of the risk that is the NFL draft. For any player drafted.


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The trenches are never sexy but that's where you win from in the NFL.
It's not about sexiness. It's about how much impact a player can have on a game. A guard's impact just isn't that great compared to many other positions, no matter how good he is.
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Part of the risk that is the NFL draft. For any player drafted.


Right, but best case scenario with a guard is that you have one of eleven players on the opposing defense blocked consistently, and it will almost never be their best pass rusher. Meh.
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It's not about sexiness. It's about how much impact a player can have on a game. A guard's impact just isn't that great compared to many other positions, no matter how good he is.
People said that about centers and slots a few years ago. They said it about DT vs DE too.
If you can get a great player then you do it.

People talk **** about punters too, then Colquitt and Dixon happen and the constant question is why do away punters out kick our guys at Mile High.
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I'd probably take Minkah if we trade/cut Talib.
This feels like such a sideways move.
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Right, but best case scenario with a guard is that you have one of eleven players on the opposing defense blocked consistently, and it will almost never be their best pass rusher. Meh.
Inside pressure to blow up the pocket by attacking C's and G's is becoming more and more in vogue in the NFL now.
Teams put so much focus on the outside that sometimes the only way to collapse the pocket is inside. You have DE's sliding inside to run twists, stunts and etc.

Would you rather Aaron Donald challenge Garcia and blow up a play or face off against a Nelson?
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This feels like such a sideways move.
Minkah is really a safety, swiss army knife for sure but best as a S. So you'd be drafting him to replace Stewart and cut him.
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I could live with almost any of the guys mentioned in the top five who aren't quarterbacks, honestly, and that's regardless of whether or not they address the position via free agency. I crossed my fingers for Mayfield a long time ago. Talib certainly seems like he might not be a Bronco going forward, but I don't want to see the team paint itself any further into a corner with the pick than they already are.
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This feels like such a sideways move.
Minkah can play anywhere, the concern with him is if he can play outside CB.

He can play nickel CB, both S spots, LB, and he's a good blitzer. He's on par with Ramsey to me.
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