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Old 01-23-2017, 05:00 PM   #76
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">BREAKING: <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Rays?src=hash">#Rays</a> have agreed to trade Forsythe to <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Dodgers?src=hash">#Dodgers</a> for DeLeon. Will be announced soon.</p>&mdash; Marc Topkin (@TBTimes_Rays) <a href="https://twitter.com/TBTimes_Rays/status/823680584170033152">January 23, 2017</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Jose DeLeon is really well-regarded among scouts and prospect watchers. Internally, Dodgers think Urias, Alvarez and Buehler are better.</p>&mdash; Jeff Passan (@JeffPassan) <a href="https://twitter.com/JeffPassan/status/823683869513842688">January 24, 2017</a></blockquote>
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Good trade for both teams, the Rays should come out of it well off since they know how to develop the hell out of pitching.

Smart for the Dodgers to move on from the Twins.
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Good trade for both teams, the Rays should come out of it well off since they know how to develop the hell out of pitching.

Smart for the Dodgers to move on from the Twins.
Forsythe is a quality stopgap until Willie Calhoun is ready.

On the downside, LA has traded away DeLeon, Jharel Cotton, Frankie Montas and Grant Holmes since July. That's a good number of controllable arms with upside.
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NBC Sports - HardballTalk: Dominican Journalist Reports that Yordano Ventura was robbed as he lay dying
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Forsythe is a quality stopgap until Willie Calhoun is ready.

On the downside, LA has traded away DeLeon, Jharel Cotton, Frankie Montas and Grant Holmes since July. That's a good number of controllable arms with upside.
I wouldn't fret too much about giving away DeLeon. His shoulder is a ticket time bomb and the Dodgers know it. They are likely trying to extract what trade value they can from him before it goes off.
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That's so ****ed up.
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Rockies Close To Deal With Greg Holland
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">martinez's $51M deal will set a record for 1st time arb eligible pitcher. progress on deal 1st mentioned by <a href="https://twitter.com/Ken_Rosenthal">@Ken_Rosenthal</a></p>&mdash; Jon Heyman (@JonHeyman) <a href="https://twitter.com/JonHeyman/status/826987553307897856">February 2, 2017</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">carlos martinez and cardinals will have an extension for $51M for 5 years. announcement expected tomorrow.</p>&mdash; Jon Heyman (@JonHeyman) <a href="https://twitter.com/JonHeyman/status/826986467067101186">February 2, 2017</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">carlos martinez and cardinals will have an extension for $51M for 5 years. announcement expected tomorrow.</p>&mdash; Jon Heyman (@JonHeyman) <a href="https://twitter.com/JonHeyman/status/826986467067101186">February 2, 2017</a></blockquote>
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This is the type of deal that every organization wishes they could reach with a young star. At age 25, Carlos Martinez is a sound investment with his high 90s fastball, elite ground ball rate that was fourth among SP in 2016 and his ability to miss bats with his changeup. If he improves against LH batters, he will be a bonafide ace.
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Did the rockies get any starting pitching? No? Another sub .500 year of selling lots of beer and hoping prospects suddenly turn into a Roger Clemens or the one year wonder Ubaldo Jimenez.

Great strategy Rockies FO. It is not like pitching wins championships in baseball or anything...
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Did the rockies get any starting pitching? No? Another sub .500 year of selling lots of beer and hoping prospects suddenly turn into a Roger Clemens or the one year wonder Ubaldo Jimenez.

Great strategy Rockies FO. It is not like pitching wins championships in baseball or anything...
the Rockies are a trendy pick to make the “next step.” Loaded team.
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Did the rockies get any starting pitching? No? Another sub .500 year of selling lots of beer and hoping prospects suddenly turn into a Roger Clemens or the one year wonder Ubaldo Jimenez.

Great strategy Rockies FO. It is not like pitching wins championships in baseball or anything...
What do you suggest the Rockies did this winter?

1. Free agent starting pitcher market was thin.

2. The price of trading for a top-line starting pitcher was astronomical.

-- The White Sox landed minors' top overall prospect Yoan Moncada and 100-mph flamethrower Michael Kopech for Chris Sale.

-- The Tampa Bay Rays reportedly rejected an enticing Francis Martes-David Paulino-Kyle Tucker plus two prospects from the Houston Astros for Chris Archer.

Knowing this, are you OK with the Rockies going all in for the present and trading prospect pieces like Brendan Rodgers, Riley Pint, Raimel Tapia, Ryan McMahon, Jeff Hoffman, Tom Murphy to land a big arm?

I guess one could argue the case, but player development success is the main reason why the Rockies have had the foundation to compete since 2007.
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Also, I think last year that Jon Gray, Tyler Anderson, Chad Bettis and Tyler Chatwood showed they are not intimidated by Coors Field.

As recent postseasons have shown, starting pitching is becoming less of a factor in October. Relief pitching is just as crucial to success.

Weighing the opportunity cost of acquiring an ace vs. a relief ace, I think the Rockies made a great move last week to sign Greg Holland on the cheap. He was an elite closer prior to Tommy John surgery. He has the groundball rate and has a history of stranding runners, which goes hand in hand with success at Coors.

Yes, the starting pitching isn't the sexiest, but look at the bullpen with Holland, Adam Ottavino, Carlos Estevez, Jake McGee, Mike Dunn, Miguel Castro, Jason Motte. It has a chance to be one of the top relief units in the game.
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This is the type of deal that every organization wishes they could reach with a young star. At age 25, Carlos Martinez is a sound investment with his high 90s fastball, elite ground ball rate that was fourth among SP in 2016 and his ability to miss bats with his changeup. If he improves against LH batters, he will be a bonafide ace.
I agree, just could not believe the money they dished out for player who's at that point in arbitration.
The trend really started with the Rays back with Evan Longoria but the money continues to increase when a high potential guy gets extended to levels we've never seen before.
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What do you suggest the Rockies did this winter?

1. Free agent starting pitcher market was thin.

2. The price of trading for a top-line starting pitcher was astronomical.

-- The White Sox landed minors' top overall prospect Yoan Moncada and 100-mph flamethrower Michael Kopech for Chris Sale.

-- The Tampa Bay Rays reportedly rejected an enticing Francis Martes-David Paulino-Kyle Tucker plus two prospects from the Houston Astros for Chris Archer.

Knowing this, are you OK with the Rockies going all in for the present and trading prospect pieces like Brendan Rodgers, Riley Pint, Raimel Tapia, Ryan McMahon, Jeff Hoffman, Tom Murphy to land a big arm?

I guess one could argue the case, but player development success is the main reason why the Rockies have had the foundation to compete since 2007.
The rockies should of had a fire sale on all their power hitters. trade many away and solidify their starting pitching and aquire good defenders/guys that walk a lot. The last time they went to the playoffs they had starting pitching.

Instead the rockies still try to sell us starting pitching that ranked 28th last year.

Again, the rockies pitching was 28th last year. Yet they sign a SS to be first base that will swing for the fences and this was their big splash. This is epic fail maybe the rockies should look at raising the fences again?
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Also, I think last year that Jon Gray, Tyler Anderson, Chad Bettis and Tyler Chatwood showed they are not intimidated by Coors Field.

As recent postseasons have shown, starting pitching is becoming less of a factor in October. Relief pitching is just as crucial to success.

Weighing the opportunity cost of acquiring an ace vs. a relief ace, I think the Rockies made a great move last week to sign Greg Holland on the cheap. He was an elite closer prior to Tommy John surgery. He has the groundball rate and has a history of stranding runners, which goes hand in hand with success at Coors.

Yes, the starting pitching isn't the sexiest, but look at the bullpen with Holland, Adam Ottavino, Carlos Estevez, Jake McGee, Mike Dunn, Miguel Castro, Jason Motte. It has a chance to be one of the top relief units in the game.
A pitching staff that ranked 28th last year and many of those guys are returning. Great.

Tyler is a good upcoming pitcher but lets see more. Gray is a bust so far for a first round pick. His WAR is borderline starter and projects as a #5 on rotation for most teams in the MLB. Chatwood has done well but is injury prone. Bettis is hot garbage and has a WAR below starting pitching and in 4 years a Career 5.00 ERA. The other two guys are rookies in Hoffman (did not pitch well last year) and Marquez.

This is the same old story from the rockies. They HOPE their guys play the best baseball ever and Gray finally becomes Roger Clemens and not Franklin Morales and Chatwood stays healthy. Oh and the rookies they trot out will have all star performances.

The reality is the rockies want to sell beer and are not interested in staffing a competitive baseball team when their big move despite a 28th ranked pitching ERA is to get a slugging SS and make him a 1st base.

Pitching, Pitching, Pitching
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A pitching staff that ranked 28th last year and many of those guys are returning. Great.
You understand Coors Field was the most hitter friendly venue in baseball last year, right?

http://www.espn.com/mlb/stats/parkfactor

In that case, you can't take the Rockies' 28th-ranked ERA on the surface. You have to dig a little deeper. When you dig a little deeper, you find out the Rockies were 16th in adjusted Fielding Independent Pitching and were 16th in WAR. Furthermore, the Rockies staff was second in groundball rate. In all fairness, they have a middle-of-the-pack pitching staff.

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This is the silliest statement you made. Gray ranked ninth among National League starting pitchers in WAR last year, ahead of Carlos Martinez.
http://www.fangraphs.com/leaders.asp...rs=0&sort=19,d

In addition, Gray was sixth in strikeouts/9 innings and ninth in HR/9 innings. If Gray reduces his walk rate a little, he has a chance to be special, even in Coors.

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Pitching, Pitching, Pitching
I agree the Rockies made a questionable move spending $70 million on Ian Desmond.

While starting pitching was an obvious improvement area, I still ask you what would you have done? There was no free agent pitching out there! The cost of acquiring Chris Sale or Chris Archer was through the roof. Are you fine with the Rockies trading David Dahl and/or Brendan Rodgers/Riley Pint for a arm like Sonny Gray Not worth it after Gray bombed last year and lacks the ideal frame to last.
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You understand Coors Field was the most hitter friendly venue in baseball last year, right?

http://www.espn.com/mlb/stats/parkfactor

In that case, you can't take the Rockies' 28th-ranked ERA on the surface. You have to dig a little deeper. When you dig a little deeper, you find out the Rockies were 16th in adjusted Fielding Independent Pitching and were 16th in WAR. Furthermore, the Rockies staff was second in groundball rate. In all fairness, they have a middle-of-the-pack pitching staff.



This is the silliest statement you made. Gray ranked ninth among National League starting pitchers in WAR last year, ahead of Carlos Martinez.
http://www.fangraphs.com/leaders.asp...rs=0&sort=19,d

In addition, Gray was sixth in strikeouts/9 innings and ninth in HR/9 innings. If Gray reduces his walk rate a little, he has a chance to be special, even in Coors.



I agree the Rockies made a questionable move spending $70 million on Ian Desmond.

While starting pitching was an obvious improvement area, I still ask you what would you have done? There was no free agent pitching out there! The cost of acquiring Chris Sale or Chris Archer was through the roof. Are you fine with the Rockies trading David Dahl and/or Brendan Rodgers/Riley Pint for a arm like Sonny Gray Not worth it after Gray bombed last year and lacks the ideal frame to last.
I would be fine with trading every single player not named arenado for pitching. Yes, the rockies needed to sign what was out there. It does not produce any return signing or even keeping sluggers that have a WAR under starter value. The one thing about baseball is if you get an Archer he may cost 30% - 40% of the budget but he also can change the team dramatically. Baseball is a sport where the individual can have a large impact and getting an ACE is worth 80% of the entire roster right now.

Beyond pitching the rockies need a lead off batter. A guy who can steal and work the count. And defenders over sluggers. One way to improve pitching is to make the defense better especially when the rockies have the largest outfield in baseball (this is the reason for runs at Coors field and not homeruns).

Chris Archer was 6 yr 25 million...this is very reasonable.

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I would be fine with trading every single player not named arenado for pitching. Yes, the rockies needed to sign what was out there. It does not produce any return signing or even keeping sluggers that have a WAR under starter value. The one thing about baseball is if you get an Archer he may cost 30% - 40% of the budget but he also can change the team dramatically. Baseball is a sport where the individual can have a large impact and getting an ACE is worth 80% of the entire roster right now.

Beyond pitching the rockies need a lead off batter. A guy who can steal and work the count. And defenders over sluggers. One way to improve pitching is to make the defense better especially when the rockies have the largest outfield in baseball (this is the reason for runs at Coors field and not homeruns).
Man, I am an admitted homer, but I have to wonder what games you watched last year. From a rotation standpoint, this is easily the best group they've had since 2009. It might turn out to be the best rotation they've had in their history. And perhaps most importantly, it's deep.

The bullpen was a dumpster fire last year, admittedly. But I have to give it to Bridich. He addressed it in about the only way possible, with what was realistically available. If Holland rebounds like most pitchers who have been having TJ, the bullpen could turn into a plus this season.

And the lineup is easily a top-5 lineup in baseball, in any park.

Defense has gold glovers scattered throughout. I still don't completely get the Desmond signing, only because I don't like his bat at 1B. But I have little doubt that he will excel defensively there, with his athleticism. Catcher worries me, a little. But Wolters showed last year that he's solid behind the plate, and pitchers all seemed to love working with him. (He's just not going to set the world on fire with his bat - but how many teams really have a luxury of a solid-hitting catcher?)

Your comments about Gray are frankly a little bizarre. He was a rookie last year. This year, it will be an upset if he doesn't start on opening day.

I say this team wins 85 games. If things fall right, they might be better than that by a few games. That keeps them in the hunt in September.
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