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Old 07-15-2018, 11:25 PM   #226
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Russia was very smart. They new they could get away with helping Trump/GOP because they would end up doing nothing about it.

And the way party politics are today for the GOP, they would be fine if the Russians hacked our elections every election if it meant they were the ones getting helped. Would it even be the USA anymore? Wouldn't it really be West Russia at that point?
What do you think about Obama's off mic statement to the Russians where when talking about missile defense he said he could more flexible after the election. That was 2012. How come people didn't care Obama was soft on Russia? he didn't come down hard when they took Crimea, he left Trump with Russia entrenched from Ukraine to Syria. If Trump concedes things to Russia, like accepting Crimea is Russia now, I will be very upset. But what Trump does have to do is attempt to get some dialogue going because at some point the world has to come to an agreement with Russia over what they have done.

Hell, Germany has this huge pipeline contract with them for oil. If the EU is so concerned about what they have done why is it business as usual for things like that? I just don't see a world that wants to force Russia out of Crimea do you? So what do you all think Trump should do?
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Old 07-15-2018, 11:59 PM   #227
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Old 07-16-2018, 12:05 AM   #228
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Amazing that people think just hacking social media accounts and saying crazy things won the election. It's obvious Russians hated Hilliary but I would think a plan like this was in motion before Trump was event he front runner for the Republicans.

What's amazing is how the dems countering this force in the primary by rigging it for Clinton over Sanders isn't more of a story for them. I'm not convinced the DNC changed. I think they are same ole same ole and only a party revolution led by the real socialists emerging in the party. The socialist are coming for the even capitalist moderate to conservative democrats like Fienstien in CA. He battle against more liberal CA activists that want her gone will be something to watch in CA Senate race.

I know many Repubs that are just going to vote Fienstien, me included.
It shouldn't matter whether the hacking swayed the election or not.

What matters is that a hostile foreign power attacked our elections, will almost certainly do so again in the future and your party is helping them.

But I realize Republicans are all about party before country.
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Old 07-16-2018, 01:48 AM   #229
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It shouldn't matter whether the hacking swayed the election or not.

What matters is that a hostile foreign power attacked our elections, will almost certainly do so again in the future and your party is helping them.

But I realize Republicans are all about party before country.
Are you ignorant about massive US interventions in the elections of other nations? This has been ongoing for more than 100 years. Or maybe you just don't care.

That makes you the worst kind of hypocrite.
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Are you ignorant about massive US interventions in the elections of other nations? This has been ongoing for more than 100 years. Or maybe you just don't care.

That makes you the worst kind of hypocrite.
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Old 07-16-2018, 05:41 AM   #232
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Old 07-16-2018, 07:26 AM   #233
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Old 07-16-2018, 08:08 AM   #234
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Amazing that people think just hacking social media accounts and saying crazy things won the election. It's obvious Russians hated Hilliary but I would think a plan like this was in motion before Trump was event he front runner for the Republicans.

What's amazing is how the dems countering this force in the primary by rigging it for Clinton over Sanders isn't more of a story for them. I'm not convinced the DNC changed. I think they are same ole same ole and only a party revolution led by the real socialists emerging in the party. The socialist are coming for the even capitalist moderate to conservative democrats like Fienstien in CA. He battle against more liberal CA activists that want her gone will be something to watch in CA Senate race.

I know many Repubs that are just going to vote Fienstien, me included.
That's your problem, you shouldn't be thinking. It's something you're not very good at.

The Dems didn't "rig the election" for Clinton you mindless idiot. Nobody actually destroyed people's right to vote, removed them from voter ID rolls, shut down places where they could register, expunged their names by using targeting software, gerrymandered districts obscenely out of wack with reality or hacked into computers to steal data in order to target the Dem voting base in favor of Clinton.

Your party did all those things...in collaboration with our primary foreign enemy...replicating the days of Jim Crow.

Stop thinking...it's embarrassing to watch.
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Translation: "Winning is all that matters - even if that means I have to support a traitor and a Russian puppet.

Because I'm ethically challenged like that."
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In other words the Russia of Putin and the oligarchs is the same as the Russia of the USSR?

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In other words the Russia of Putin and the oligarchs is the same as the Russia of the USSR?

A little reminder on the context:

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“The 1980s are now calling to ask for their foreign policy back because the Cold War's been over for 20 years,” Obama said.
Suddenly pining for the days of that 'tough on Russia' President is pretty rich.

Knowing what you obviously know now about the dire Rooskie menace, you guys should've voted for Romney.
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Suddenly pining for the days of that 'tough on Russia' President is pretty rich.

Knowing what you obviously know now about the dire Rooskie menace, you guys should've voted for Romney.
I couldn't bring myself to vote for a guy who straps his dog to the roof of his car for a thousand mile drive.
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I couldn't bring myself to vote for a guy who straps his dog to the roof of his car for a thousand mile drive.
Ladies and gentlemen, I give you..... The American Electorate.
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Thanks for confirming my point, viz., that you're OK with backing a traitor and a Russian puppet as long as that's what it takes to get a "win" for the Christopublican Party.

To say you're morally challenged would be an understatement.
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Suddenly pining for the days of that 'tough on Russia' President is pretty rich.

Knowing what you obviously know now about the dire Rooskie menace, you guys should've voted for Romney.
Disingenuous as always.

Obama wasn't trying to make the case that Russia wasn't a threat.
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Ladies and gentlemen, I give you..... The American Electorate.
Ladies and gentlemen - the Trump voter!
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Ladies and gentlemen - the Trump voter!
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As dumb as saying you voted for Hillary because you attack Trump at every opportunity.

It's not a team sport.
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