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Old 07-12-2018, 04:35 AM   #26
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Obviously, the U.S. has a major trade deficit problem. That is not in question. The question is:
1. How did we get here?
2. And how do we solve it?

Major U.S. trade policy reform is necessary, and has been for several decades. US manufacturing has been operating at an severely skewed unfair advantage due to EU, NAFTA, and China's policies.
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Old 07-12-2018, 04:38 AM   #27
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1. EU policies give Germany an unfair advantage due to tariff imbalances, and EU rules.
2. NAFTA provides a huge incentive for companies to outsource labor production to Mexico due to wage imbalances.
3. China unfairly devalues the Yuan.
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Old 07-12-2018, 04:43 AM   #28
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Obviously, it is in the best interest of U.S. Citizens to the U.S. to demand that NATO countries pay their fair share, equal the playing field with EU/China tariffs, and to completely renegotiate or pull out of NAFTA.


It's about time we have a POTUS who realizes that.
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Old 07-12-2018, 04:49 AM   #29
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You're exceptionally naive. I't's laughable listening to the crap you spout. It isn't "democrats" who've historically known that "Russia is bad" dumbass. Every thinking, sane individual who knows anything about the historical relationship we have with the Russians understood this country and the danger they represent. Only this current alt-right movement (white supremacists) has attempted to suggest otherwise.
Boring and ineffective insults aside, Germany has a much worse history with Russia. Therefore, why is Germany buying 60%-70% of its gas from Russia (not the U.S.) if the U.S. subsidizing Germany's Defense against Russia?

Germany does what's best for Germany. Russia does what's best for Russia. China does what's best for China. And it's about time, the U.S. does what's best for the U.S. EU has now formed their own military. It's high time they pay their own way. Whether you refuse to recognize that or not is of no consequence.
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In fact, the Germany operates in the EU much like a captive market. Which is exactly what China attempts to do by devaluing the Yuan. For evidence of that look at Brexit. EU contends that the U.K. would not have access to the EU market unless U.K. agrees to EU rules.

In short, it's mafia style mentality. Where "You can only trade with us if you agree to our unfair terms."
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If Russia is so bad, like Democrats claim, why does Germany get 60%-70% of it's gas from Russia?
they don't you imbecil
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Old 07-12-2018, 05:55 AM   #32
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Trump has become Putin's most effective tool.
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Old 07-12-2018, 07:55 AM   #33
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So it looks like Canada and Germany are the two biggest scofflaws when it comes to their treaty commitments for NATO.

Those countries leaders are very critical of Trump and say he is threatening NATO with his rhetoric. How does everyone feel about this? I feel Trump is spot on for calling them out, but others seem to feel he is being unfair.

How do liberals feel about this? On the one hand they love Canada and Germany, but they also hate American defense spending being a hefty price tag. Germany supposedly has this great economy, what is there excuse for this?
You actually believe that American defense spending is so high because of NATO? Lol.

You just have zero understanding of anything. How embarrassing.
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Old 07-12-2018, 09:31 AM   #34
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You're exceptionally naive. I't's laughable listening to the crap you spout. It isn't "democrats" who've historically known that "Russia is bad" dumbass. Every thinking, sane individual who knows anything about the historical relationship we have with the Russians understood this country and the danger they represent. Only this current alt-right movement (white supremacists) has attempted to suggest otherwise.
Obama laughed off Russia being a threat when he ran against Romney in 2012. Not one democrat called him out for that.
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Old 07-12-2018, 09:33 AM   #35
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You actually believe that American defense spending is so high because of NATO? Lol.

You just have zero understanding of anything. How embarrassing.
No it's high because we want to have the strongest military. Our complaints over the other members is just that if war broke out with Russia they would not have the military might to help us defeat them. We want them to do their part in case of war.
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they don't you imbecil
Insults aside, yes they do. Read the article I linked. With the new nord stream 2 pipeline, the EU is on tap for even more Russian gas. That's why Trump brought it up.

Therefore, the question remains. Why the hell is the EU (Germany in particular) holding the US hostage for Defense, while buying oil from Russia. It's because they can.

Glad Trump is bringing the issue front and center.
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Old 07-12-2018, 09:50 AM   #37
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No it's high because we want to have the strongest military. Our complaints over the other members is just that if war broke out with Russia they would not have the military might to help us defeat them. We want them to do their part in case of war.
It's not just in case of war. The American Navy has insured safe shipping routes all over the world since WW2. Europe has enjoyed the benefits of free trade by using those routes, while effectively keeping most American good and services out of Europe due to tariffs and other EU rules that stack the deck against foreign imports (same as China).

No more free rides.
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Obama laughed off Russia being a threat when he ran against Romney in 2012. Not one democrat called him out for that.
Obama and Hillary already sold off 20% off US Uranium of to Russia. Why should they care? They're criminals.
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French President Emmanuel Macron Thursday rejected Trump's assertion.
"There was a communiqué released yesterday it was very detailed and I invite you to read it ... It shows the measures approved by all the member states. This communiqué is clear, it reaffirms a commitment to 2% in 2024. That is all," Macron said.

All NATO countries agreed in a 2014 summit to increase their defense spending to 2% of their GDP by 2024, and most NATO member countries have already laid out specific plans to meet that target. All NATO member countries pledged in the joint communique on Wednesday to continue their efforts to meet the 2% goal.
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Old 07-12-2018, 11:34 AM   #40
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A good read on how "wars no longer have a political cost to elected leaders because they don’t come with a financial cost to taxpayers." In other words, we don't raise taxes to pay for wars. Instead, we borrow to pay for them. So there's no direct link. There's no shared sacrifice.
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Old 07-12-2018, 11:50 AM   #41
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Spending floors aren't an accurate means to compare as we have covered in the F35 thread. We're going to spend $2T on an inferior product that should have cost us $750B. In that means we spent a crap load for a small return.

NATO could just be much more effective at spending than we are. I don't have a reasonable means of knowing this but I'm sure somebody does and they should be called on it.

I think it's far more damning when Italy says we'll buy 30 of your F35s as part of the JSF program then comes back and says nah we'll just take 10 of your crap planes.
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Old 07-12-2018, 11:52 AM   #42
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Regarding US subsidizing EU for drug pricing. Currently, U.S. citizens pay the bulk of R&D costs for pharmaceuticals, while other countries are allowed to pay negotiated prices at or below cost in the world marketplace.


Since U.S. citizens are not allowed to re-import drugs (i.e. pay market value), we get stuck with the entire bill for R&D. Hence, our astronomical drug costs.
This is a big money influencing US laws thing not a EU ripping off the US thing. Your legislators are screwing us over here... and by "your" I do primarily mean the GOP, but there are bad Dems too.

Get corporate money out of American politics and a lot of things would go better for all of us.
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Get corporate money out of American politics and a lot of things would go better for all of us.
Problem is the same would need to be done with the media, and we all know that's not happening.
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Obama laughed off Russia being a threat when he ran against Romney in 2012. Not one democrat called him out for that.
Obama was right. Russia was no threat. Nor is it now.
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Boring and ineffective insults aside, Germany has a much worse history with Russia. Therefore, why is Germany buying 60%-70% of its gas from Russia (not the U.S.) if the U.S. subsidizing Germany's Defense against Russia?

Germany does what's best for Germany. Russia does what's best for Russia. China does what's best for China. And it's about time, the U.S. does what's best for the U.S. EU has now formed their own military. It's high time they pay their own way. Whether you refuse to recognize that or not is of no consequence.
Germany gets a much better price from Russia. US gas to Germany makes no economic sense to the Germans -- it's pure politics -- bordering on theater.
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Obama was right. Russia was no threat. Nor is it now.
Why don't you move there? It's far better than America, right?

Well?
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