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Old 10-17-2018, 09:25 AM   #1
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While we are Hammering Elway for Not Getting us a Starting QB since Manning. This is an easy thing to hammer him with. But we shouldn't pretend its easy to get a Franchise level guy.

The list of QB's we could have gotten is not very long.

Dak Prescott turned out OK
Kirk Cousins we missed out on.
Who else?

Brock Osweiler is actually one of the better available QB's since Manning-and he played here for Vet min.
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Rosen and Allen if they pan out are the 2 we passed on this year. I don't think we had any shot at Cousins, I'm pretty sure he was going to the Vikings no matter what. Prescott isn't looking at being more that Just a Guy.
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Old 10-17-2018, 09:28 AM   #3
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While we are Hammering Elway for Not Getting us a Starting QB since Manning. This is an easy thing to hammer him with. But we shouldn't pretend its easy to get a Franchise level guy.

The list of QB's we could have gotten is not very long.

Dak Prescott turned out OK
Kirk Cousins we missed out on.
Who else?

Brock Osweiler is actually one of the better available QB's since Manning-and he played here for Vet min.
Passing on Rosen ( also maybe passing on Allen) is going to haunt the broncos. It was a tough choice but you have to give it a shot when a top QB prospect is there to draft.
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Old 10-17-2018, 09:33 AM   #4
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Theoretically, it should be easier to draft and get a franchise guy. The game is so lopsided to passing and protecting QB's that guys that shouldn't have been long term starters may very well end up being just that.
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Rosen and Allen vs Chubb will be the debate if Denver continues to struggle finding a QB and Kelly doesnt pan out, ideally he does and it's all for naught.

But two top level QB prospects were right there for them.
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Passing on Rosen ( also maybe passing on Allen) is going to haunt the broncos. It was a tough choice but you have to give it a shot when a top QB prospect is there to draft.
The good thing is there are QB's in this draft that are comparable to either of the QB's you listed.
Rosen>Finley
Allen>Lock

So DEN didnt miss on much.
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Old 10-17-2018, 09:53 AM   #7
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Rosen and Allen vs Chubb will be the debate if Denver continues to struggle finding a QB and Kelly doesnt pan out, ideally he does and it's all for naught.

But two top level QB prospects were right there for them.
Chubb keeps getting 3 sacks a game it won't be much of a debate.
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Chubb keeps getting 3 sacks a game it won't be much of a debate.
If we have bad QB play, it will.
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If we have bad QB play, it will.
Swag fixes that problem
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Didn't we miss out on Russell Wilson when we drafted Brock?
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Didn't we miss out on Russell Wilson when we drafted Brock?
All the NFL teams missed out on Wilson and Cousins in the same draft.
JAX took a kicker or punter a few spots ahead of Wilson i believe.
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Old 10-17-2018, 10:20 AM   #12
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Swag fixes that problem
I'd certainly like to see Swag play to see if he is the answer or not, we all know Keenum aint it.
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Old 10-17-2018, 10:30 AM   #13
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If we picked Kyle over VJ we would 100% have had Cousins. Mike Shanahan, Sean McVay and Kyle Shanahan are Kirk's biggest mentors in football. He doesnt go to the Vikings if we had Kyle or McVay as HC and also Mike lives in the city. We would have the HC and QB postitions solved. One of the best playcallers in football with a QB who knows the system and the transition would have been easy and we would still probably have had Wade as DC. Crazy how the NFL outlook potentially changes on a few different decisions.
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If we picked Kyle over VJ we would 100% have had Cousins. Mike Shanahan, Sean McVay and Kyle Shanahan are Kirk's biggest mentors in football. He doesnt go to the Vikings if we had Kyle or McVay as HC and also Mike lives in the city. We would have the HC and QB postitions solved. One of the best playcallers in football with a QB who knows the system and the transition would have been easy and we would still probably have had Wade as DC. Crazy how the NFL outlook potentially changes on a few different decisions.
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Sorry, i didn't read the OP clearly. This is post Manning. However, Elway should of known Manning wouldn't last forever and that is why he drafted Brock.
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I wish we had taken Foles instead of Osweiler.
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If we have bad QB play, it will.
Stop. We have no idea how they'd pan out with this staff and line.
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For the love of God,

Prescott is not good. Enough with that already. Does anyone actually watch football?
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Prescott is not good. Enough with that already. Does anyone actually watch football?
It's a group of idiots actively rooting against their own team. What did you expect?
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Old 10-17-2018, 12:18 PM   #20
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Finding a true franchise QB is very hard to do. Look at how many first round QBs Cleveland has drafted over the years. Now NFL teams are over paying for mediocre QBs (see Baltimore for example). In other words, drafting a franchise QB in the first round is hit or miss and finding a franchise QB in FA or a trade is rarely successful. Posters want to crap on Elway for “not doing this or not doing that!!” but finding a franchise QB does not happen overnight.
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I wish we had taken Foles instead of Osweiler.
We’d still be looking for a franchise QBs.
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Old 10-17-2018, 12:44 PM   #22
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Brocks a mediocre guy. But thats the best on the list of QBs we've started since Manning.

And to hell with Allen (Paxton 2.6) and with Rosen it is still a big if....(maybe good in time, but who knows?)
Swag is probably better than both.
And Chubb will be a force. 3 sacks against the the only undefeated team. He's already starting to show up as a rookie. Imagine him as a vet next to Von.

Plus we will likely get a high pic this coming draft. If swag comes in and looks like the man, we can trade back for big time profit and end up with a super powerful draft. If Swag stinks it up. We can draft a QB high anyway.

So I do not regret getting Chubb. We needed more power on both lines. Desperately. But the difference is we could have got Nelson who has to depend on a QB for production, or Chubb a guy that could change the game alone. You always go for the more powerful piece when playing chess.
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Old 10-17-2018, 12:58 PM   #23
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Chubb keeps getting 3 sacks a game it won't be much of a debate.
It doesn’t matter how many sacks he gets people will still complain. Even if one QB is solid and the other QBs in the top 10 busts and Chubb becomes a perennially all pro , they will still complain.
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If Chubb keeps getting 3 sacks a game, then maybe we can package Von Miller for a franchise QB.
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While we are Hammering Elway for Not Getting us a Starting QB since Manning. This is an easy thing to hammer him with. But we shouldn't pretend its easy to get a Franchise level guy.

The list of QB's we could have gotten is not very long.

Dak Prescott turned out OK
Kirk Cousins we missed out on.
Who else?

Brock Osweiler is actually one of the better available QB's since Manning-and he played here for Vet min.
QB's are drafted in the first round virtually every year, so obtaining one isn't that difficult if you're willing to pay the price for the one you want. The question is, are we able to accurately diagnose their value, and would we be willing to move up for the right one? As of now the first question is uncertain, since we've yet to show we can make the right call on this. Nobody knows how good any of these guys last year are going to be yet, so judging the draft day move to ignore this crop is premature simply because we didn't get one. The smart move is to give Kelly the rest of the year, see how he does, then decide if we're willing to pay whatever it cost to move up next year if we decide Kelly isn't the answer.

It's also possible we could give Kelly the rest of the season, and still not know one way or the other if he's got what it takes, so this is not a magic bullet.
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