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SouthStndJunkie · 08-06-2010, 10:44 AM

The Seattle Seahawks and their top pick, left tackle Russell Okung, have agreed to a six-year, $48.5 million deal, sources told ESPN senior NFL analyst Chris Mortensen.

SouthStndJunkie · 08-09-2010, 08:24 AM

"Overtrained athlete syndrome" will be blamed for Cushing's suspension

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com...gs-suspension/

Posted by Mike Florio on August 9, 2010 9:50 AM ET

I'm tempted to say that I've now heard everything. But the crazy nature of this business guarantees that I'll soon hear something even crazier.

Peter King of SI.com reports that, when Texans owner Bob McNair meets with Commissioner Roger Goodell on Monday, McNair will explain that Cushing's positive test for elevated hCG levels was the product of "overtrained athlete syndrome," a condition from which Andre Smith will never suffer.

Cushing explained his better-never-than-late excuse to King on Friday. "Everything points to that overtrained athlete syndrome,'' Cushing said, using the word "that" as if King or anyone else already knew what it is. "I'm pretty sure it is. I'm pretty positive. I didn't take anything. It's not a tainted supplement. So all roads lead to that.''

Supposedly, an athlete who trains for a long period of time and then stops acquires a testosterone imbalance, which potentially spikes his hCG level. That said, it's never happened to any other player who has tested positive for hCG. More importantly, it feels like a round peg/square hole attempt to fashion an excuse for an elevated hCG level that was temporary.

That was the biggest flaw in Cushing's ill-advised media blitz from May. If, as he claims he feared, he had a tumor, the hCG level would have continued to be elevated. And if there was some natural condition causing generally increased hCG levels, common sense tells us it wouldn't have popped up quickly and then dissipated after the positive test.

Though the Commissioner may not buy any of it, Cushing's boss does.

"He shows no sign of ever having been on steroids,'' McNair said. "His weight hasn't changed appreciably since he's been with us. I've looked into it pretty thoroughly, and I haven't found anything that would lead me to believe that he has ever taken a performance-enhancing drug."

Apart from the traditional circumstantial evidence of steroid use (some would say there is such evidence based on pictures of Cushing while in college), it's possible that Cushing was taking steroids not to get bigger but to recover from the knee injury that threatened to derail the start of his rookie season. Last August, Cushing suffered the knee sprain. So if he decided to do a short cycle of steroids aimed at helping to heal the ligament, and if he then chased it with hCG to help kick-start his natural testosterone production, elevated hCG levels would thereafter be in his system.

Here's the bottom line. Cheaters don't admit to cheating when they get caught cheating. So Cushing's effort to continue to attribute his behavior to something other than cheating is exactly what he would do if he were cheating. The fact that he and the Texans are offering a buffet line of excuses makes us even more skeptical of the situation, and we suspect that the league office will be just as skeptical, if not more.

SouthStndJunkie · 08-09-2010, 08:25 AM

Cushing needs to STFU and move on....he makes himself look foolish by dragging this out.

_Oro_ · 08-09-2010, 08:35 AM

Agreed. He forgot to take his masking agent one day so his levels spiked. How about
testing for masking agents?

boltaneer · 08-10-2010, 08:26 AM

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Originally Posted by _Oro_

Agreed. He forgot to take his masking agent one day so his levels spiked. How about
testing for masking agents?

They do test for masking agents. Cushing tested positive for a known masking agent, not steriods.

He does need to STFU though.

Br0nc0Buster · 08-10-2010, 08:31 AM

so apparently he is the hardest training player in NFL history

or he is lying

hmm tough call

_Oro_ · 08-10-2010, 08:32 AM

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Originally Posted by boltaneer

They do test for masking agents. Cushing tested positive for a known masking agent, not steriods.

He does need to STFU though.

Thanks for the correction.

Br0nc0Buster · 08-12-2010, 03:43 PM

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=5459355

Brandon Marshall says he is planning on playing in the NBA next year if there is no football, and no he is not joking, he is serious

crush17 · 08-12-2010, 03:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Br0nc0Buster

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=5459355

Brandon Marshall says he is planning on playing in the NBA next year if there is no football, and no he is not joking, he is serious

hh, does he not know that the NBA is heading for a lockout as well?

diehardbroncosfan · 08-12-2010, 04:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Br0nc0Buster

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=5459355

Brandon Marshall says he is planning on playing in the NBA next year if there is no football, and no he is not joking, he is serious

Even funnier is that he wants to join the Denver Nuggets so he can hear "the welcome home cheer". Yeah, good luck with that Marshall.

SouthStndJunkie · 08-12-2010, 04:43 PM

Meh....he is a WR....they like to run their yaps and make the news.

He knows he won't be playing any basketball.

tsiguy96 · 08-12-2010, 04:45 PM

Adam_Schefter

To quote one of Brandon Marshall's good friends on his goal of playing in the NBA: "Trust me, he is serious."

SouthStndJunkie · 08-12-2010, 04:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tsiguy96

Adam_Schefter

To quote one of Brandon Marshall's good friends on his goal of playing in the NBA: "Trust me, he is serious."

To quote me: "He will never play a minute of NBA basketball."

dbfan21 · 08-13-2010, 07:07 AM

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Originally Posted by SouthStndJunkie

To quote me: "He will never play a minute of NBA basketball."

SouthStndJunkie · 08-13-2010, 11:02 PM

FOXBOROUGH, Mass. -- New England Patriots defensive end Ty Warren's hip injury was serious enough to cost him the 2010 season, as the team placed him on season-ending injured reserve Friday afternoon.

The injury is similar to what New York Yankees third baseman Alex Rodriguez had -- a labral tear. The injury is not considered career-threatening, but will require surgery, which Warren said is scheduled for Monday in Vail, Colo.

Tombstone RJ · 08-13-2010, 11:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SouthStndJunkie

FOXBOROUGH, Mass. -- New England Patriots defensive end Ty Warren's hip injury was serious enough to cost him the 2010 season, as the team placed him on season-ending injured reserve Friday afternoon.

The injury is similar to what New York Yankees third baseman Alex Rodriguez had -- a labral tear. The injury is not considered career-threatening, but will require surgery, which Warren said is scheduled for Monday in Vail, Colo.

Vail, ehehh? I guess there are worse places to be laid up for a while...

uplink · 08-14-2010, 03:40 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SouthStndJunkie

FOXBOROUGH, Mass. -- New England Patriots defensive end Ty Warren's hip injury was serious enough to cost him the 2010 season, as the team placed him on season-ending injured reserve Friday afternoon.

The injury is similar to what New York Yankees third baseman Alex Rodriguez had -- a labral tear. The injury is not considered career-threatening, but will require surgery, which Warren said is scheduled for Monday in Vail, Colo.

I guess they will want either Jarvis Green or Le Kevin Smith back now.

_Oro_ · 08-14-2010, 08:23 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tombstone RJ

Vail, ehehh? I guess there are worse places to be laid up for a while...

Yep, just ask Kobe how great surgery in Vail is.

Kaylore · 08-14-2010, 09:26 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Br0nc0Buster

apparently Ron Brace cant pass his conditioning test in New England

Just thought I would throw that out there since I know a lot on here wanted him and might be interested in how he is doing

I guess now we'll get to see who starts for the Pats this year. If they start Brace and he succeeds or is at least decent at the nose, it will make the Alphonso pick even worse. If he flounders, or the Pats go get someone else, it takes some of the steam off that pick.

Br0nc0Buster · 08-14-2010, 10:14 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kaylore

I guess now we'll get to see who starts for the Pats this year. If they start Brace and he succeeds or is at least decent at the nose, it will make the Alphonso pick even worse. If he flounders, or the Pats go get someone else, it takes some of the steam off that pick.

from what I have heard he has a long way to go before he gets on the field
I guess a lot of people are really dissapointed in him right now

Broncoman13 · 08-14-2010, 01:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kaylore

I guess now we'll get to see who starts for the Pats this year. If they start Brace and he succeeds or is at least decent at the nose, it will make the Alphonso pick even worse. If he flounders, or the Pats go get someone else, it takes some of the steam off that pick.

Forget Brace, How about Mauluga!!! Better yet, how about Darius Butler!!! In fact better than any of those three, how about Jairus Byrd!!!!!!!!! I would gladly take any of those three over Alphonso Smith. I like Smith's attitude for the most part, but I can tell you based on my first hand observations that his effort this year was less than admirable. If I were in that guy's shoes and people were openly questioning whether I would even make the team, you wouldn't see me get out worked by anyone... well maybe Tebow and Garland, but after that it would be me!

Requiem · 08-14-2010, 02:54 PM

Brace isn't conditioned.

Rey got injured.

Darius Butler was injured in college with knee issues and that continued in the NFL.

Jairus Byrd was a pleasant surprise.

The pick of Alphonso Smith will be judged on how he performs in his career as a Bronco. Not a comparative one regarding players we could have took instead.

oubronco · 08-14-2010, 02:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Requiem

Brace isn't conditioned.

Rey got injured.

Darius Butler was injured in college with knee issues and that continued in the NFL.

Jairus Byrd was a pleasant surprise.

The pick of Alphonso Smith will be judged on how he performs in his career as a Bronco. Not a comparative one regarding players we could have took instead.

But we could've had Ed Reed!!!

Kaylore · 08-14-2010, 03:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Broncoman13

Forget Brace, How about Mauluga!!! Better yet, how about Darius Butler!!! In fact better than any of those three, how about Jairus Byrd!!!!!!!!!

I'm really not a fan of Mauluga's. I think he fell because his football IQ is very low. In fact I believe him to be borderline retarded. I think he's the next LaVar Arrington. Byrd? I suppose, but I actually think Bruton and McBath might both emerge. Not saying they'll be better than Byrd, but they played well and I don't feel we "missed out" by taking them. Three safeties would have been a stupid draft. Darius Butler does look like the better corner at this stage, but one season in isn't enough for me to decide one way or the other. It will take several years to know for sure. And really, if Smith emerges then it's all moot.

Zoobie · 08-14-2010, 03:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Requiem

Brace isn't conditioned.

Rey got injured.

Darius Butler was injured in college with knee issues and that continued in the NFL.

Jairus Byrd was a pleasant surprise.

The pick of Alphonso Smith will be judged on how he performs in his career as a Bronco. Not a comparative one regarding players we could have took instead.

Thank you. If you're going to compare Phons to Brace, then you have to compare him to EVERY player drafted after he was taken in the second round. LeSean McCoy, Max Unger, Phil Loadholt, Sebastian Vollmer, Sean Smith, the list goes on. But honestly, why compare?

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08-06-2010, 10:44 AM	#1801
SouthStndJunkie Ring of Famer Shannon Says: Listen to The Junkman Join Date: May 2003 Posts: 18,394	The Seattle Seahawks and their top pick, left tackle Russell Okung, have agreed to a six-year, $48.5 million deal, sources told ESPN senior NFL analyst Chris Mortensen.

08-09-2010, 08:24 AM	#1802
SouthStndJunkie Ring of Famer Shannon Says: Listen to The Junkman Join Date: May 2003 Posts: 18,394	"Overtrained athlete syndrome" will be blamed for Cushing's suspension http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com...gs-suspension/ Posted by Mike Florio on August 9, 2010 9:50 AM ET I'm tempted to say that I've now heard everything. But the crazy nature of this business guarantees that I'll soon hear something even crazier. Peter King of SI.com reports that, when Texans owner Bob McNair meets with Commissioner Roger Goodell on Monday, McNair will explain that Cushing's positive test for elevated hCG levels was the product of "overtrained athlete syndrome," a condition from which Andre Smith will never suffer. Cushing explained his better-never-than-late excuse to King on Friday. "Everything points to that overtrained athlete syndrome,'' Cushing said, using the word "that" as if King or anyone else already knew what it is. "I'm pretty sure it is. I'm pretty positive. I didn't take anything. It's not a tainted supplement. So all roads lead to that.'' Supposedly, an athlete who trains for a long period of time and then stops acquires a testosterone imbalance, which potentially spikes his hCG level. That said, it's never happened to any other player who has tested positive for hCG. More importantly, it feels like a round peg/square hole attempt to fashion an excuse for an elevated hCG level that was temporary. That was the biggest flaw in Cushing's ill-advised media blitz from May. If, as he claims he feared, he had a tumor, the hCG level would have continued to be elevated. And if there was some natural condition causing generally increased hCG levels, common sense tells us it wouldn't have popped up quickly and then dissipated after the positive test. Though the Commissioner may not buy any of it, Cushing's boss does. "He shows no sign of ever having been on steroids,'' McNair said. "His weight hasn't changed appreciably since he's been with us. I've looked into it pretty thoroughly, and I haven't found anything that would lead me to believe that he has ever taken a performance-enhancing drug." Apart from the traditional circumstantial evidence of steroid use (some would say there is such evidence based on pictures of Cushing while in college), it's possible that Cushing was taking steroids not to get bigger but to recover from the knee injury that threatened to derail the start of his rookie season. Last August, Cushing suffered the knee sprain. So if he decided to do a short cycle of steroids aimed at helping to heal the ligament, and if he then chased it with hCG to help kick-start his natural testosterone production, elevated hCG levels would thereafter be in his system. Here's the bottom line. Cheaters don't admit to cheating when they get caught cheating. So Cushing's effort to continue to attribute his behavior to something other than cheating is exactly what he would do if he were cheating. The fact that he and the Texans are offering a buffet line of excuses makes us even more skeptical of the situation, and we suspect that the league office will be just as skeptical, if not more.

08-09-2010, 08:25 AM	#1803
SouthStndJunkie Ring of Famer Shannon Says: Listen to The Junkman Join Date: May 2003 Posts: 18,394	Cushing needs to STFU and move on....he makes himself look foolish by dragging this out.

08-09-2010, 08:35 AM	#1804
_Oro_ Formerly known as Casson *Don't run that sht this way.** Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Montréal Posts: 1,190 Adopt-a-Bronco: - R. Ayers	Agreed. He forgot to take his masking agent one day so his levels spiked. How about testing for masking agents?

08-10-2010, 08:31 AM	#1806
Br0nc0Buster You honeydicking? Super Bowl 50 Champs Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Kansas Posts: 7,423	so apparently he is the hardest training player in NFL history or he is lying hmm tough call

08-12-2010, 03:43 PM	#1808
Br0nc0Buster You honeydicking? Super Bowl 50 Champs Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Kansas Posts: 7,423	http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=5459355 Brandon Marshall says he is planning on playing in the NBA next year if there is no football, and no he is not joking, he is serious

08-12-2010, 04:43 PM	#1811
SouthStndJunkie Ring of Famer Shannon Says: Listen to The Junkman Join Date: May 2003 Posts: 18,394	Meh....he is a WR....they like to run their yaps and make the news. He knows he won't be playing any basketball.

08-12-2010, 04:45 PM	#1812
tsiguy96 Ring of Famer New to the Forum Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 12,757 Adopt-a-Bronco: None	Adam_Schefter To quote one of Brandon Marshall's good friends on his goal of playing in the NBA: "Trust me, he is serious."

08-13-2010, 11:02 PM	#1815
SouthStndJunkie Ring of Famer Shannon Says: Listen to The Junkman Join Date: May 2003 Posts: 18,394	FOXBOROUGH, Mass. -- New England Patriots defensive end Ty Warren's hip injury was serious enough to cost him the 2010 season, as the team placed him on season-ending injured reserve Friday afternoon. The injury is similar to what New York Yankees third baseman Alex Rodriguez had -- a labral tear. The injury is not considered career-threatening, but will require surgery, which Warren said is scheduled for Monday in Vail, Colo.

08-14-2010, 02:54 PM	#1822
Requiem The OM's #1 Draft Pick ~ ~ ~ Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 36,741	Brace isn't conditioned. Rey got injured. Darius Butler was injured in college with knee issues and that continued in the NFL. Jairus Byrd was a pleasant surprise. The pick of Alphonso Smith will be judged on how he performs in his career as a Bronco. Not a comparative one regarding players we could have took instead.