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Old 02-16-2018, 06:37 AM   #26
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Giants will take McGlinchey. They need to fix their oline for Eli and before thinking about any young QB.
I don't see it. No chance they miss on this chance to sign a QB. but again... who knows what these GM really are thinking.
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Old 02-16-2018, 06:53 AM   #27
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I could definitely see the Giants go QB.
both NY teams will pick a QB in the first round, that,s CHEFS CHOICE.
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Old 02-16-2018, 06:59 AM   #28
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the COLTS will Mirror the VIKES buisness model and secure a veteran QB who can start if LUCK cannot.
The colts can no longer play naive, to being in need of a start ready #2 QB.
They must contend in the QB FA market.
LUCK would expect it !
DRAFT ?
Not so "LUCKY "
They already have back-up QB in place. Jacoby Brissett on rookie deal.
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Old 02-16-2018, 07:14 AM   #29
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They already have back-up QB in place. Jacoby Brissett on rookie deal.
I dont think the fans or the franchise are content with brisket !
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Old 02-16-2018, 07:18 AM   #30
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Shurmur isnít going to not think of the future when he has a number 2 pick and a chance at a franchise QB.



Kubiaks QBs? Tyrod Keenum Rosen.
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Old 02-16-2018, 07:25 AM   #31
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Shurmur isnít going to not think of the future when he has a number 2 pick and a chance at a franchise QB.



Kubiaks QBs? Tyrod Keenum Rosen.
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Old 02-16-2018, 07:46 AM   #32
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Shurmur isnít going to not think of the future when he has a number 2 pick and a chance at a franchise QB.



Kubiaks QBs? Tyrod Keenum Rosen.
I agree. Rosen is gone to NYG.
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Source for an opinion? We all know heís tried to acquire Tyrod multiple times. Tried to acquire Keenum in 2016, and reports have been around that Kubiak and Elway both think Rosen is the purest passer/prospect in the draft.

Doesnít mean they get these guys, just means who I THINK Kubiak would want. This is all assuming their Cousins attempt doesnít work out.
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Old 02-16-2018, 08:11 AM   #34
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Come March 14, there is going to be some salty tears shed around the OM, Iím afraid.

Based on his history of signing free agents and Broncosí salary cap restrictions, Elway will most likely be looking at second-tier FA QBs-not the elite. Thatís not even taking into consideration the low level of talent displayed by the coaching staff last season and years of ineptitude on the OL.

For similar or less money, the best FA QBs are not going to see a good reason to go to Denver (see Calais Campbell). As much as we fans do not want to admit it, the Denver Broncos are not one of the elite franchises, anymore. Right now, they are mired in with the other bottom-feeders clawing for scraps.
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Old 02-16-2018, 08:59 AM   #35
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Gary Kubiak is a big reason why the broncos have struggled so bad on the offense side of the ball the last few years. Gary Kubiak picked Trevor Semian to be his QB as well as his history with backup caliber QBs in Houston.

If not for Von Miller going ape **** the broncos lose that superbowl because of a putrid offense.

Kubiak's offense was so bad and he left this for Joseph who basically adopted the same philosophy on players like Semian or Schofield.

Now Gary Kubiak gets promoted despite being the weak link in the broncos organization.

Wonderful! Lets have him pick the QB of the future!

Elway is an idiot and this is what happens when you promote your friends and turn a blind eye to why the broncos have fell the last few years...

Gary Kubiak and his putrid offense scheme and poor talent selection

Elway should have hired people based not on their relationships with him but their merit.

Cronyism is alive and well in Broncos country. This is an ERA of no accountability and folks like Kubiak who are a cancer to talent evaluation and offense schemes will have a home.
There you go again. You have entered the Land of Oz where reality never visits. Kubiak selected Siemian to start because he was the best QB he had on the roster. He may have had influence in picking in the 7th round but NO ONE thought a 7th rounder would start.

I am responding to the only idiot in this conversation.

You know nothing about your accusations: Cronyism, lack of merit, evaluation cancer, Elway not holding people accountable - just hiring friends, weak link in the organization. You have no insight. Just another of your mudslinging rants where there is always a small chance something you say may hit the truth.

Click your heels together Dorothy.
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Old 02-16-2018, 09:36 AM   #36
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Do not be surprised if Kubiak has a QB in mind that none of us are aware of. He has historically hated prototype QBs and top tier talent. He hated Lynch day 1 and loved Trevor Semian.

Houston Broncos Circa 2018 -
He hated Young in SF, he hated Elway in the SB years, he jumped for joy when Peyton hit the wall the last year so he could deal with OZ. He was really excited for the opportunity to resurrect the career of Sanchez. Elway didn't want to sign him but Kubiak threatened to quit. It was his master plan to sign Siemian as a 7th rounder so he could turn him into the next Tom Brady.

I am sure you could fill in the blank on the new mystery QB. Remember, you need to clean out the bong once in a while.
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Old 02-16-2018, 09:40 AM   #37
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I considered it, but decided against it for these 4 reasons:

1. Eli has $12M dead money and will not be cut this year. Next year he'll have $6M dead money. He'll likely finish out his last 2 years as an NY legend. That'll cost NY $45M against the cap.
2. NY FO has said Eli is their guy, it would be an insult to use #2 on a QB while Eli is still playing.
3. Darnold will most likely be gone. The remaining QB's are much riskier.
4. Are they going to waste $12M in cap over the next two years on a flawed risk riding the bench instead of helping the team now?
Because franchises have never said one thing publicly and done the exact opposite when given the opportunity.

Eli is 37. He's not going to be in the league much longer. The Giants are picking 2nd for a reason, they're not a player or two away from patching things up and competing again with Eli under center. They are not going to pass up the opportunity to draft a potential franchise QB who can sit for a year or two to eventually replace their current 2-time SB winning franchise QB
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Old 02-16-2018, 10:28 AM   #38
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I could definitely see the Giants go QB.
It wouldn't surprise me at all to see the Giants trade Eli to a team like ours and draft a QB.
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Old 02-16-2018, 10:32 AM   #39
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It wouldn't surprise me at all to see the Giants trade Eli to a team like ours and draft a QB.
I am expecting it. Or A 3 way trade with JAX and DEN ends up with Bortles.
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Old 02-16-2018, 10:51 AM   #40
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I don't like it, but I still think the most likely outcome is us signing Tyrod Taylor for two years and drafting Josh Allen to develop.

Not what I would do, just what I think we end up doing.
I think it's McCarron and drafting a QB.
McCarron came from a pro-style NFL system at Bama and he's been under the Bengals scheme for 4 years.

He'd fit right in with what Musgrave likes and then you can have the QBOTF developing.

Again I will say this, given Kubiak's high evaluation of Tyrod, it is perplexing to me that he is not pushing for Lamar Jackson.
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It wouldn't surprise me at all to see the Giants trade Eli to a team like ours and draft a QB.
Too much dead cap, remember, his bonus money hits NYG cap all at once when traded. Plus he has a 5 mil roster bonus in 2018 and 2019. Which is due in March and that will also count against their cap considering it will already have been paid by the time he is dealt at the draft(in your scenario)

So...you believe that the Giants are going to eat 17.4 mil in a cap hit to trade Eli?
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Too much dead cap, remember, his bonus money hits NYG cap all at once when traded. Plus he has a 5 mil roster bonus in 2018 and 2019. Which is due in March and that will also count against their cap considering it will already have been paid by the time he is dealt at the draft(in your scenario)

So...you believe that the Giants are going to eat 17.4 mil in a cap hit to trade Eli?
Well, Bortles also has a 19MIl cap hit too correct?
Just spreading that manure around.
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Old 02-16-2018, 11:08 AM   #43
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So...you believe that the Giants are going to eat 17.4 mil in a cap hit to trade Eli?
In today's NFL every thing and any thing is possible.

Some how Brock played for the Broncos in 2017 for like 650K.
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If he hasn't already, I could see Kubiak falling in love with Baker Mayfield.
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I could see Elway trying to trade for Cousins
He wants him that bad
Problem is Cousins will have to trust Washington since he would have to sign a contract first with Washington that has little or no dead money

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I could see Elway trying to trade for Cousins
He wants him that bad
The Redskins have way too little leverage for Cousins to play that game.
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Well, Bortles also has a 19MIl cap hit too correct?
Just spreading that manure around.
1. Bortles has no dead money.
2. Eli has a no trade clause and his dead cap hit becomes $17.4M as of 3/18.

They're not going to throw away Eli's last two years on a guy with as many red flags as Rosen.

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Even so, if Rosen goes #2, all that means is Jets most likely trade up to #4 for Mayfield. I think MUG is probably right. Allen and maybe Tyrod.
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Even so, if Rosen goes #2, all that means is Jets most likely trade up to #4 for Mayfield. I think MUG is probably right. Allen and maybe Tyrod.
So Allen would fall to 5? I didn't read his thoughts on this.
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So Allen would fall to 5? I didn't read his thoughts on this.
Yes, that is "most likely". I also think they would trade for Tyrod given that Bills are responsible for his dead money hit. If I'm not mistaken, Broncos would only be responsible for Tyrod's $10M base salary (not guaranteed) if they trade for him after 3/16.

That gives them a cheap insurance policywhile they get Allen ready to start .



Again, not saying it is the best plan, it is only most likely. Imo.
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