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Old 02-20-2018, 08:52 PM   #2151
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Spread offense QBs do need a lot of fixing.
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Old 02-20-2018, 08:54 PM   #2152
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Seen some crazy mocks where that is what happens. And Denver takes Rosen. With Barkley on the board.

Made my head hurt, tbh.

Yeah, I have seen Mock drafts where Darnold sails right past Denver..... I think the Giants are locked in on Rosen. I have been reading that they really like him and think he is the most ready of all of them.
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You believe everything you read on the internet?

So Jeremy Bates isnít a positive for Cousins and itís not about money?
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Old 02-20-2018, 08:54 PM   #2154
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Itís a lot to ask for in one offseason. So many problems and QB is just at the top of the list. After how things played out with Jimmy Cousins is just a pipe dream and what youíre saying about Kubiak is spot on. Its going to be a McCarren/other FA type and a QB not named Darnold/Rosen, so a project that Kubiak likes. They need to figure out and fix multiple failed levels of this team from coaching to players to FO. Doing it in one year is impossible.

We all talk about cutting players for cap reasons, but this team has drafted like **** so thereís no players to step in their place. Too many Montee balls not enough Robys. Successful teams can cut talent because they can replace them with the kids they drafted. This team has holes in every spot they want to cut due to failed drafts.
I could see DEN getting McCarron and Ju'Juan James in FA and in the draft just trading back from 5 with Mayfield and Allen there and people here going ape $h!t. And Elway getting 21 and 22 and taking a QB and a RB or a TE and then getting another defensive playmaker in the 2nd.
I don't see him and especially Gary handcuffing themselves to a QB at 5. It's not Gary's style. This is a deep draft at QB despite all we hear in this forum.
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Old 02-20-2018, 08:55 PM   #2155
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Yeah, I have seen Mock drafts where Darnold sails right past Denver..... I think the Giants are locked in on Rosen. I have been reading that they really like him and think he is the most ready of all of them.
He is.
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Old 02-20-2018, 08:57 PM   #2156
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I just re watched the MIA game! Doing some homework on him. And I ended up watching other guys instead.
You weren't the only one. That's why I was perplexed when Aga was talking about not seeing why people were not talking more about Benkert.
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Yeah, I have seen Mock drafts where Darnold sails right past Denver..... I think the Giants are locked in on Rosen. I have been reading that they really like him and think he is the most ready of all of them.


Some mocks have the broncos QB situation handled before the draft, so they pass on QBs. If they get their FA QB(depending on how strong they believe in him) number 5 will be wide open IMO. BPA or need?
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Old 02-20-2018, 08:59 PM   #2158
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So Jeremy Bates isnít a positive for Cousins and itís not about money?
It's Jeremy Bates, not McVay and KShanny.

I dont think money is the single absolute driving force into Kirk's decision, nope.
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It's Jeremy Bates, not McVay and KShanny.

I dont think money is the single absolute driving force into Kirk's decision, nope.


Then we wonít have to cut talent and he will come on a team friendly deal!


Record setting contract with massive guarantees, but not about the money. Wherever he goes it will hinder that teams cap. Not about the money though.
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You weren't the only one. That's why I was perplexed when Aga was talking about not seeing why people were not talking more about Benkert.
There are some players in that game. I didn't see much of VA last year.
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Then we wonít have to cut talent and he will come on a team friendly deal!


Record setting contract with massive guarantees, but not about the money. Wherever he goes it will hinder that teams cap. Not about the money though.
Regarding money, i'm talking the 60 mil cap hit year 1, whole contract guaranteed kinda stuff. I dont buy that stuff at all.

He's obviously gonna cost some money to get.
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There are some players in that game. I didn't see much of VA last year.
I watched quite a bit of their games looking at their defensive players. I was curious to see how Mendenhall adjusted to VA from BYU after that first season.
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Regarding money, i'm talking the 60 mil cap hit year 1, whole contract guaranteed kinda stuff. I dont buy that stuff at all.

He's obviously gonna cost some money to get.


They cut Forte and Wilkerson they can not only do it, but add pieces too. It could likely be 60 over 1, and 100+ fully guaranteed over 3 years. Thatís just crazy.

Ideally most of us would love Cousins at a good price. I do. If not Iíd love for the giants to make a huge mistake by trading out of 2. Then itís Rosen. Reality though is a McCarren type coupled with a project rookie.
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I watched quite a bit of their games looking at their defensive players. I was curious to see how Mendenhall adjusted to VA from BYU after that first season.
Their are some gems there. And I don't care what SoCal says, MIA has a lot of young guys and they are gonna be damn good next year. They have some monster talent coming back.
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They cut Forte and Wilkerson they can not only do it, but add pieces too. It could likely be 60 over 1, and 100+ fully guaranteed over 3 years. Thatís just crazy.

Ideally most of us would love Cousins at a good price. I do. If not Iíd love for the giants to make a huge mistake by trading out of 2. Then itís Rosen. Reality though is a McCarren type coupled with a project rookie.
Hmm....Wilkerson could be an interesting FA, but his attitude sucks and he's a walking violation of team rules.

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Their are some gems there. And I don't care what SoCal says, MIA has a lot of young guys and they are gonna be damn good next year. They have some monster talent coming back.
Miami is going to be fantastic next year. A new NFL factory.
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Hmm....Wilkerson could be an interesting FA, but his attitude sucks and he's a walking violation of team rules.

PASS. You know Vea has been a guy who is flying under folks radar. Not for much longer though. He's one of those guys who Elway could get enamoured with. The talent that can be had at 5 that are NOT QBs, is freakin unreal. To F this pic up or not trade back and loot some extra pics is unforgivable
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Miami is going to be fantastic next year. A new NFL factory.
Yep. SoCal is just hatin.
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Yep. SoCal is just hatin.
Vea is not a top 5 pick. Not a good enough pass rusher for that. Pick 11-16 sure, that's about the range those guys land in.

He's big, he's stout, he's athletic...he is comical at rushing the passer.
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Old 02-20-2018, 10:48 PM   #2168
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I find it interesting that McCarron was a guy they would be aggressive for if they could get him as a UFA. It was a bit too convenient when that report came out one day before his hearing. Like they knew he was going to be freed up.
Same for Keenum if somehow it fell through for him.
And I also think it's interesting that Rudolph and Falk are guys they are looking at. I just don't see Kubiak enamoured with one of those 5 guys at the top and i just see him getting a QB down in the late 1st early to mid 2nd. I see Elway making a trade to aquire another 3rd or late 2nd with Barrett or another player and using it to move back up and get Kubes QB.
I think Elway wants a marquee, sure fire, pro bowl level, franchise player with 5. Similar to getting Von.
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It's true we've got alot of savages on the MIA roster next year.

Staff has to translate it to better than 3 loss football, tho.
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I find it interesting that McCarron was a guy they would be aggressive for if they could get him as a UFA. It was a bit too convenient when that report came out one day before his hearing. Like they knew he was going to be freed up.
Same for Keenum if somehow it fell through for him.
And I also think it's interesting that Rudolph and Falk are guys they are looking at. I just don't see Kubiak enamoured with one of those 5 guys at the top and i just see him getting a QB down in the late 1st early to mid 2nd. I see Elway making a trade to aquire another 3rd or late 2nd with Barrett or another player and using it to move back up and get Kubes QB.
I think Elway wants a marquee, sure fire, pro bowl level, franchise player with 5. Similar to getting Von.
There isnít a sure fire,pro Bowl level, franchise player. There never is.
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There isnít a sure fire,pro Bowl level, franchise player. There never is.
yep and I would say 2011 top 10 beats 2018 top 10 unless qb's pan out in 5 yrs.
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Some mocks have the broncos QB situation handled before the draft, so they pass on QBs. If they get their FA QB(depending on how strong they believe in him) number 5 will be wide open IMO. BPA or need?
If Denver doesn't draft a QB they might want to consider trading down. If there is a QB available at #5 I imagine many teams will want to trade up for it. Denver could snag multiple picks plus a 1st rounder in 2019 draft
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Teammate thinks Denverís the destination for Kirk Cousins

During an appearance on NFL Network, Washington safety D.J. Swearinger thinks the Broncos have both the cash and the supporting cast to sway Cousins.

ďWith the situation they have out there on defense, theyíre missing their quarterback,Ē Swearinger said, via the Denver Post. ďKirk is a great quarterback. I wish we could have had different things on that, but the business is the business. I think Kirk will be getting a healthy payday and I think Denver is the team that can do that.Ē

https://www.yahoo.com/sports/teammat...114716422.html
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