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Old 07-10-2018, 11:18 AM   #576
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I'd take Virgil Green at RT over Turnstile in a New York second to pass block.

I don't think the Pats have ever had a line as bad as the one I've seen the last couple of years.

Every position on this line except center is a question mark. Bolles surrendered 8 1/2 sacks last year and a lot of penalties. Will he be better after having started a year? Probably...hopefully, but we don't know for sure. McGovern has promise but is not yet proven, Leary has a degenerative knee and missed time last year, and we don't know for sure what kind of recovery the Hulk has made from his injuries. Best case scenario...they all live up to expectations and remain healthy. If they do, we've got an improved line and this O will put up some points finally. If we get a couple injuries, all bets are off, because the depth is virtually non-existent.


They haven’t had total trash at QB behind those lines either. Start Siemian on that team and suddenly that OL looks worse.

We even saw a small bit of change when Brock was in there.


QBs have direct impacts on their OLs, along with the OL players themselves. They need to improve, but it’s not Seattle/Houston bad like some claim.

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Old 07-10-2018, 11:22 AM   #577
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They haven’t had total trash at QB behind those lines either. Start Siemian on that team and suddenly that OL looks worse.

We even saw a small bit of change when Brock was in there.


QBs have direct impacts on their OLs, along with the OL players themselves. They need to improve, but it’s not Seattle/Houston bad like some claim.
So Siemian isn't Brady?

Who knew?
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Old 07-10-2018, 11:52 AM   #578
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So Siemian isn't Brady?

Who knew?


You’re the one who said Brady would get slaughtered behind Broncos OL.


They are SB contenders with Brady and the broncos OL. Even Carr made Watson look better.




I’m among the most pessimistic here and even I believe the OL will look completely different than last 2 years.
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Old 07-10-2018, 12:06 PM   #579
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You’re the one who said Brady would get slaughtered behind Broncos OL.


They are SB contenders with Brady and the broncos OL. Even Carr made Watson look better.

I’m among the most pessimistic here and even I believe the OL will look completely different than last 2 years.
Not if we have ANY significant injuries it won't...there is zero depth.

Using Brady or Manning, the two most cerebral QB's of the last 25 years, to suggest that the O-line is just fine if we only had anyone else but Siemian...doesn't really do much for me.

Let me know when we've got the next Manning under center, and I'll share in your boundless optimism.
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Siemian gets bashed a lot, but I think he’s a smart guy and a serviceable quarterback. He was able to absorb knowledge and apply it to his play better than any QB we’ve had on the roster from Manning til now.

Serviceable QB play isn’t anything any team should strive for. Second string Is a different story. I think Trevor makes a competent backup for any team. His job will be what he does best. Study the offense, be used only when necessary. He will be some franchise’s Kubiak.
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Not if we have ANY significant injuries it won't...there is zero depth.

Using Brady or Manning, the two most cerebral QB's of the last 25 years, to suggest that the O-line is just fine if we only had anyone else but Siemian...doesn't really do much for me.

Let me know when we've got the next Manning under center, and I'll share in your boundless optimism.


Ok. Now I’m back to my pessimism. This is a 4 win team.
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Old 07-10-2018, 10:44 PM   #582
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How did Keenum do last year? Oh that's right...
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Old 07-11-2018, 05:33 AM   #583
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How did Keenum do last year? Oh that's right...
Well... he lived in the shadow of a #1 defense, put up unspectacular stats, needed a historic choke job by Marcus Williams to get a playoff win, reverted back to a scrub against Philly, and then was shown the door.

They could make a movie about those low INTs though!
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Old 07-11-2018, 08:39 AM   #584
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Was it Keenum or really the Minnesota defense that choked during the playoffs? Defense sure didn't look that great against the Saints game and continued their dismal performance against the Eagles.
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Was it Keenum or really the Minnesota defense that choked during the playoffs? Defense sure didn't look that great against the Saints game and continued their dismal performance against the Eagles.
Both. It was a team collapse. Minny's defense was suddenly human which meant the offense had to go into shootout mode. Keenum and his o-line were exposed. The end.
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Was it Keenum or really the Minnesota defense that choked during the playoffs? Defense sure didn't look that great against the Saints game and continued their dismal performance against the Eagles.
It was the Eagle's buzzsaw and they whole Minny team played like crap. It happens sometimes when you can't do anything right. SB 48 is an example.
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Not if we have ANY significant injuries it won't...there is zero depth.

Using Brady or Manning, the two most cerebral QB's of the last 25 years, to suggest that the O-line is just fine if we only had anyone else but Siemian...doesn't really do much for me.

Let me know when we've got the next Manning under center, and I'll share in your boundless optimism.
You don’t have to have a Manning or a Brady for a QB to positively impact your OL. Case (no pun intended) in point is Keenum last season. Minnesota’s OL was not much better than our own (22nd in DVOA versus our 23rd ranked unit). But his ability to allude the rush and make plays made them look better than they were. He was the the 2nd ranked passer in the league under pressure, and they allowed 22 sacks because of his ability to avoid them (not because they we really good). It’s a symbiotic relationship. That’s not to say OL isn’t important, but there are numerous examples (recently, too) of teams winning a SB despite subpar OL play. That’s not to say OL is unimportant, just that there are more ways to win than your myopic vision suggests.
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It was the Eagle's buzzsaw and they whole Minny team played like crap. It happens sometimes when you can't do anything right. SB 48 is an example.
Eagles were the team of destiny last year, just like we were in 2015. If Roby doesn't force a fumble late in the Stillers game the Manning years would have been dramatically different.
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Whatever happened to that QB camp with WRs Keenum was going to put on in Houston


After that minicamp, players will have off for the summer until reporting back to the Broncos’ facility for the start of training camp in late July. Sometime during that break, players will get together to practice on their own.

“It’s going to be the receivers, quarterbacks, and hopefully we can get some tight ends and running backs as well,” Thomas said. “Case and Emmanuel [Sanders] are out in Houston so we’re trying to figure out where we’re going to throw this summer.”


Should be hearing something about it soon

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Eagles were the team of destiny last year, just like we were in 2015. If Roby doesn't force a fumble late in the Stillers game the Manning years would have been dramatically different.
You can't say that. Who knows how the game played out. There was 8 min or so left after that(don't remember the exact amount but there was a lot of time left). There isn't a SB winning team that didn't get a play go their way that if it went the other way would have changed the outcome of the season.
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Whatever happened to that QB camp with WRs Keenum was going to put on in Houston


After that minicamp, players will have off for the summer until reporting back to the Broncos’ facility for the start of training camp in late July. Sometime during that break, players will get together to practice on their own.

“It’s going to be the receivers, quarterbacks, and hopefully we can get some tight ends and running backs as well,” Thomas said. “Case and Emmanuel [Sanders] are out in Houston so we’re trying to figure out where we’re going to throw this summer.”


Should be hearing something about it soon
Keenum's camp in Houston presumably fell apart, just like the camp Siemian was supposed to do last year.

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In addition to Keenum and Sanders, other players that worked out Friday included rookie running back Phillip Lindsay and former Broncos receiver Marlon Brown, who now plays for the Baltimore Ravens.

https://broncoswire.usatoday.com/201...-passing-camp/
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Keenum's camp in Houston presumably fell apart, just like the camp Siemian was supposed to do last year.


So they had it but stayed in Denver? Siemian couldn’t even get that formed.
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So they had it but stayed in Denver? Siemian couldn’t even get that formed.
If we consider "it" to be a passing camp. Per DT they were going to have all the QBs, receivers, TEs, etc. Instead it was Keenum, Sanders, an UDFA, and a guy who isn't even a Bronco. Very inspiring.
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If we consider "it" to be a passing camp. Per DT they were going to have all the QBs, receivers, TEs, etc. Instead it was Keenum, Sanders, an UDFA, and a guy who isn't even a Bronco. Very inspiring.


Only Manning can command full attention of targets.
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Only Manning can command full attention of targets.
Yeah, I don’t think Cane Keesum is at the “Who’s Your Daddy” level of respect, yet.
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Only Manning can command full attention of targets.
Hell I'd expect cusp QBs like Cousins, Ryan, and Stafford to demand an audience. You don't need a Hall of Famer.
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Hell I'd expect cusp QBs like Cousins, Ryan, and Stafford to demand an audience. You don't need a Hall of Famer.
Does it really matter? Sanchez had a full gang busters passing camp and he lost out to Seimian as starter and last I heard was in Dallas
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Does it really matter? Sanchez had a full gang busters passing camp and he lost out to Seimian as starter and last I heard was in Dallas
It matters a lot when you are all dressed up with a hood, torch and pitchfork with nowhere to go.
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Does it really matter? Sanchez had a full gang busters passing camp and he lost out to Seimian as starter and last I heard was in Dallas
Excellent example. Prior to his preseason fallout, Sanchez was being praised like Keenum is being praised. Great command of the huddle, leader, etc. I'm still waiting for a positive quote or compliment about Keenum's ability after the snap.
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Heard on a podcast that Case is one of only 3 qbs to ever have a positive rating while being under pressure. Football outsiders tracking. Only goes back like 10years. Interesting still.
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