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Old 10-02-2017, 09:01 PM   #226
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Oh...so now people's right's don't matter? Gotcha. I'll tuck that one away for one of our future discussions.
People once had a right to legally own other people. Like SonofLeloLang said, humans are wrong often and especially throughout history.
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Old 10-02-2017, 09:02 PM   #227
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CBS fires vice president who said Vegas victims didn't deserve sympathy because country music fans 'often are Republican'

Without a valid link, this seems like some fake news you came across on facebook.
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Yes, but we are culturally different from Europe.
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Alex Jones has already labeled this as a false flag. That didn't take too long. I wonder if the actors were just people who got shot or all 22000 concert goers?
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Here is your answer democrats.

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disclaimer: you still may be shanked, because we still cant limit weapons even in a prison.

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Old 10-03-2017, 07:37 AM   #231
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Without a valid link, this seems like some fake news you came across on facebook.


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Old 10-03-2017, 08:05 AM   #232
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Is speech a specifically designed killing machine?
A government monopoly on it surely is.
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Old 10-03-2017, 08:07 AM   #233
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I didn't say everyone. but they are certainly out there.

Stop comparing speech with guns. Speech is speech. Guns are machines specifically designed to kill people. That's what they are. There's ZERO denying this. And the amendment was put in place for a "well regulated militia".
See, you spout the prohibitionist propaganda (just like in your Newsweek article) and then you wonder why there's never any compromise.

You're not looking for legitimate compromise. You're looking for incremental surrender.

To believe the "Bill of Rights" has a provision in it that effectively says "Federally approved armies can have guns." is to dismantle everything it was designed for. All of it, in every Amendment.

Every Amendment in the Bill of Rights places some specific (and well discussed) restriction on the Federal Government. What you're saying is "Except for the 2nd. Because modern linguistic nipple-twisting allows me to fancy different."

Once you go there, there's no reason not to ask whether the FF really contemplated the internet when they talked about a 'free press'

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Old 10-03-2017, 10:08 AM   #234
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Yeah I'm generally of the opinion if you want gun control the way many on the left want it, you'll have to amend the constitution. The right to bear arms is there. There's a lot of ways some have tried to argue citizens having weapons wasn't the intent, but that's historically dishonest.

Most states created militias from among the local citizens to help defend or go assist in the fighting. There was also a belief among the founding fathers that it was the duty of the citizens to rise up and overthrow a corrupt government and protect themselves. They also hunted for their food. And the arms were black powder muskets, not high caliber machine guns. This was a direct response to the way the British empire did things. Can't have an army without guns.

The idea that common gun carriers would be able to defeat the US military today is utterly ridiculous. And we don't have to hunt for our food, or have a frontier of natives trying to kill us (we have our own citizens to thank for that now). The Brits also forced subjects to house and feed British soldiers, and this is another protection in the constitution that hasn't been necessary for some time. So you could argue its intent has changed.

Regardless of its intent, the Supreme Court has interpreted it the way they wanted. Now you have a civil liberty that puts more responsibility onto the citizens. And so you will have people abuse that liberty. It's functionally how I feel about abortion, being that lives are being taken, and I mention only because it's not the only area where we chose liberty and pain over control and security.
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The idea that common gun carriers would be able to defeat the US military today is utterly ridiculous.
Like stand in a field toe to toe? No. But that's never been the case. The Revolutionary War would've never been won standing toe to toe with the British in open fields.

The point of an armed populace is to make a non-consenting populace ungovernable. And as we've seen time and time again over our lifetimes... parking an undefeatable army somewhere is no substitute for governance.
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A government monopoly on it surely is.
Actually discouraging it by trying to eliminate the press is.
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Yeah I'm generally of the opinion if you want gun control the way many on the left want it, you'll have to amend the constitution. The right to bear arms is there. There's a lot of ways some have tried to argue citizens having weapons wasn't the intent, but that's historically dishonest.

Most states created militias from among the local citizens to help defend or go assist in the fighting. There was also a belief among the founding fathers that it was the duty of the citizens to rise up and overthrow a corrupt government and protect themselves. They also hunted for their food. And the arms were black powder muskets, not high caliber machine guns. This was a direct response to the way the British empire did things. Can't have an army without guns.

The idea that common gun carriers would be able to defeat the US military today is utterly ridiculous. And we don't have to hunt for our food, or have a frontier of natives trying to kill us (we have our own citizens to thank for that now). The Brits also forced subjects to house and feed British soldiers, and this is another protection in the constitution that hasn't been necessary for some time. So you could argue its intent has changed.

Regardless of its intent, the Supreme Court has interpreted it the way they wanted. Now you have a civil liberty that puts more responsibility onto the citizens. And so you will have people abuse that liberty. It's functionally how I feel about abortion, being that lives are being taken, and I mention only because it's not the only area where we chose liberty and pain over control and security.
I agree with a lot of this (not the abortion part), but much is measured and smart. My issue with the second amendment is that it hasn't aged well and is an amendment that is much more specific to the time than say freedom of speech, press.
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I agree with a lot of this (not the abortion part), but much is measured and smart. My issue with the second amendment is that it hasn't aged well and is an amendment that is much more specific to the time than say freedom of speech, press.
Our forefathers were men. Some see them as a bunch of rich, entitled white guys who took land from natives, enslaved people from Africa and didn't want to pay taxes. Others saw them as free thinking pioneers who put into motion the pieces of freedom and democracy that would, over the next century, usher in a new, more ethical model of government for the world, for the people, by the people.

Both are true.

They did their best for what they believed at the time. Some of it works today and some of it not so much.
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Our forefathers were men. Some see them as a bunch of rich, entitled white guys who took land from natives, enslaved people from Africa and didn't want to pay taxes. Others saw them as free thinking pioneers who put into motion the pieces of freedom and democracy that would, over the next century, usher in a new, more ethical model of government for the world, for the people, by the people.

Both are true.

They did their best for what they believed at the time. Some of it works today and some of it not so much.
100 percent agree. I think some people take their words as gospel, and they didn't even. Its why amendments exist in the first place.
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100 percent agree. I think some people take their words as gospel, and they didn't even. Its why amendments exist in the first place.
They became politicians if not already one. "We will make laws for you but not follow them or make separate laws for us". It happens then and happens now.
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What level of internet autism must you be on to think that gun control equals living in prison? Level 7?
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Yeah I'm generally of the opinion if you want gun control the way many on the left want it, you'll have to amend the constitution. The right to bear arms is there. There's a lot of ways some have tried to argue citizens having weapons wasn't the intent, but that's historically dishonest.

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Regardless of its intent, the Supreme Court has interpreted it the way they wanted. Now you have a civil liberty that puts more responsibility onto the citizens. And so you will have people abuse that liberty. It's functionally how I feel about abortion, being that lives are being taken, and I mention only because it's not the only area where we chose liberty and pain over control and security.
And just as we've ruled against late term abortions, we need to rule against weapons that can be used to mass murder.
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Really? I'll bet nobody in there has an AR15.
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And just as we've ruled against late term abortions, we need to rule against weapons that can be used to mass murder.
Is that what police should carry around?
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Is that what police should carry around?
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In the UK, Norway, Ireland, Iceland and New Zealand, police don't carry guns.
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