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Old 10-15-2018, 10:58 AM   #51
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Talk about goal post moving.

Founders themselves were torn on the issue. Unfortunately pragmatism requires that things can really only be taken so far so fast. If 'release the slaves' had been part of the program back then, there would've been no revolution, and no United States.
As I said...only 1/4 of our entire history has been devoted to "our better ideals" as you describe them.

That's not moving the goalposts, it's pure fact...and "we" weren't the ones devoting ourselves to much of anything.
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As I said...only 1/4 of our entire history has been devoted to "our better ideals" as you describe them.
It's not a light switch, Steps. "Perfect ideals across the board or none!"

We've dramatically improved the lot of the commoner classes in world history. With some missteps, even egregious, along the way. Hopefully we'll still work to make things even better.
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It's not a light switch, Steps. "Perfect ideals across the board or none!"

We've dramatically improved the lot of the commoner classes in world history. With some missteps, even egregious, along the way. Hopefully we'll still work to make things even better.
The "commoner classes"?

We ARE the "commoner classes"...and a global minority.
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Old 10-15-2018, 12:10 PM   #54
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The "commoner classes"?

We ARE the "commoner classes"...and a global minority.
True. We're common here, and yet uncommonly wealthy and fortunate on a planetary scale.
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