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Old 10-28-2018, 03:15 PM   #26
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I've always been in the middle on the Joseph debate. There are many problems that are above his pay grade (quarterback decisions, letting Wade go, and a few other issues). He typically gets blamed for the problems that came from those poor decisions. But there are also problems that are below him. He was given crap to work with, and no surprise, the results have been crap. I don't think that he's made the best out of bad situations. That's really all he can do, but he hasn't done that.

Firing him won't fix anything. All it will do will appease a lot of fans, and then they'll have to find a new target to blame. But at the same time, keeping him doesn't seem like it will fix anything either.

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Old 10-28-2018, 03:15 PM   #27
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Why does Action like all the coaches that lead us to our worst records?
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VJ is not the problem if you do not mind losing games. Thereís a slim margin between staying competitive and winning. A competent Head Coach can certainly make up the difference.
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Why does Action like all the coaches that lead us to our worst records?
Because he's a blithering idiot.
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Old 10-28-2018, 03:18 PM   #30
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Keenum needs to be rolled out more too.

Itís week 8 and us fans have been saying this since week 1. Itís obvious to everybody except the head coach that the quarterback, while he does suck, has not been put in the best position to succeed. Shanahan and Kubiak built an entire offense around Plummerís strengths but for some reason Vance and company seem content to keep calling drop backs with the quarterback with the worst pocket awareness Iíve ever seen in an NFL QB. Heís not a defensive coordinator, or a D-backs coach anymore, heís the head coach. This **** is happening on his watch and he is ultimately responsible.
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Old 10-28-2018, 03:18 PM   #31
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He needs bigger teeth. Then he'll be respected.
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Old 10-28-2018, 03:20 PM   #33
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Why does Action like all the coaches that lead us to our worst records?
Well letís see here. Josh McDaniels went on to win Super Bowls with legendary come backs.

Not only that but he was selected to coach a guy named Andrew Luck.

If he was as ****ty as dumb Broncos fans believe him to be, he wouldnít be in the NFL.

He is also Bradyís preferred OC.

I know what Iím watching. Most of you guys do not. And lack perspective amongst many other things.
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Old 10-28-2018, 03:28 PM   #34
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Well letís see here. Josh McDaniels went on to win Super Bowls with legendary come backs.

Not only that but he was selected to coach a guy named Andrew Luck.

If he was as ****ty as dumb Broncos fans believe him to be, he wouldnít be in the NFL.

He is also Bradyís preferred OC.

I know what Iím watching. Most of you guys do not. And lack perspective amongst many other things.
He was a horrible HC. Surprise, when he gets under one of the best HC in the history of the NFL with maybe the best QB in the history of the NFL, he succeeds. He was 5-17 in his last 22 games. After the NFL figured him out, he stunk.
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Old 10-28-2018, 03:33 PM   #35
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No one here really has any perspective. That's a fact. You guys treat Broncos like some reality TV show like there aren't 31 other teams. Go look around the league who you think are better HC's and check their records relative to talent on roster. You guys clearly think he's the worst in the NFL - so just go look.

There's really only a few elite HC's (BB & Carroll are 2 that come to mind and Ron Rivera is able to always find ways to win).

Jags were supposed to be a contender yet sitting at 3-5.
Ravens are 4-4.
Eagles are 4-4.
Gruden is 1-5 despite having a QB
Falcons are 3-4
Beloved Shanahan is 1-6
Giants are ****ing 1-7 and some thought Shurmur was some genius because Keenum.

Got into a couple conversations at the beginning of the year about how ****ty the Seahawks supposedly are yet they're sitting at 4-3.

Many coaches would have lost their team by now but Broncos are bringing it.

You guys have this logic: IE you think if we just find another McVay it will fix everything. But what you don't understand is that we may have improvements on offense, we would likely have a drop off in defensive play unless we had some elite DC.

Fans just have no perspective and lack knowledge at the same time. It's a terrible combination and it's 2 pillars of stupidity.
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He was a horrible HC. Surprise, when he gets under one of the best HC in the history of the NFL with maybe the best QB in the history of the NFL, he succeeds. He was 5-17 in his last 22 games. After the NFL figured him out, he stunk.
Yes, he was not a good HC in his first stint.

Neither were some other great HC's.

Your logic needs to have a 2 way street, spinning it 1 way makes you feminine.

While what you said was true, it also has to mentioned that he was chosen to be in that position.
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He still got the ball back with 4:12 left on the clock...?

Chiefs literally went 3 and out after they punted.

Damn youíre dumb...
Yeah, your team was definitely getting two scores in 4:12
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this..the announcers said denver changed their mind..no VJ is just inept and had no idea it would have brought up 4th down.



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Vance is a huge problem on this team. He almost accepted a penalty rather than declining it and bringing up 4th and 8 for Christ's sake.

Keenum is a huge problem too, but VJ is God awful.
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Yeah, your team was definitely getting two scores in 4:12
We would have to get 2 scores regardless. Difference is if we didn't get it we would have to get 2 TD's minimum or lost the game.

We also have an analytics guy for these type of situations. Not something your dumbass would understand considering you're raised somewhere where they teach addition starting in high school.
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Having inept QB play is the problem.

Keenum needs to be rolled out more too.

Vance puts together nice defensive game plans with holes all over the defense. Stopped Hunt and Hill today.

Oh, and Iíve never complained about penalties throughout a season since watching football, but Broncos have been CONSISTENTLY called for some of the most questionable penalties Iíve seen since watching football
Can we agree its a combo package?
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Yes, he was not a good HC in his first stint.

Neither were some other great HC's.

Your logic needs to have a 2 way street, spinning it 1 way makes you feminine.

While what you said was true, it also has to mentioned that he was chosen to be in that position.
I don't know what he will do in his second stint as HC, but there is no way to defend what he did for Denver. Whoever decides to hire him shouldn't let him make any draft decisions either. He had one of the worst drafts imaginable in his first draft. He had 5 picks in the first 2 round, and gave up a first from the next year and came away with nothing from that. He also drafted Tim Tebow...
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Can we agree its a combo package?
Yes, I would agree with you.
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Can we agree its a combo package?
Well, we have a first time HC that is a defensive coach - with a inept QB and a middle of the road OC.

Ultimately it's Elway's fault for not having a QB ready for the Broncos by now.

I'm all for playing the full season and having final thoughts. To say he's one of the worst or some **** right now is stupidity.
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Can we agree its a combo package?
No. But your non-feminine avi will be a positive.
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Well, we have a first time HC that is a defensive coach - with a inept QB and a middle of the road OC.

Ultimately it's Elway's fault for not having a QB ready for the Broncos by now.

I'm all for playing the full season and having final thoughts. To say he's one of the worst or some **** right now is stupidity.
So you think VJ would be better coach if he had a better QB?
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I don't know what he will do in his second stint as HC, but there is no way to defend what he did for Denver. Whoever decides to hire him shouldn't let him make any draft decisions either. He had one of the worst drafts imaginable in his first draft. He had 5 picks in the first 2 round, and gave up a first from the next year and came away with nothing from that. He also drafted Tim Tebow...
He had a decent 2nd draft, a lot of 1st draft's for HC's kind of suck because there no time to prepare.

Broncos issue was they made him GM too.

All HC's get input when drafting players.

Mike Shanahan has had worst drafts, with years of experience.
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So you think VJ would be better coach if he had a better QB?
...think? No I know he would be.

And that is if you're defining "better" by record.

I know what I'm watching when I watch football. I watch other games with the same amount of critique and detail as I watch the Broncos.

You guys do not. You guys think Broncos are some reality TV show.
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Iím not sure how you can watch this game and say he is a problem.

Coaches have done less with more vs the Chiefs.

Heís put together the 2 best defensive performances against the Chiefs this year.

Unfortunately we have a inept QB with a OC that isnít meant for him.
I am not sure how you can defend a guy who doesn't automatically decline a holding call on 3rd down after a stop that makes the down and distance 4th and 7.

He needs to be fired. If he loses 2 more games I would fire him before the end of the year just to send a message to the team. Might wait until week 13 to do so but I would consider it.

VJ needs to go, he and his masterful Defense stratgey's need to go.
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He had a decent 2nd draft, a lot of 1st draft's for HC's kind of suck because there no time to prepare.

Broncos issue was they made him GM too.

All HC's get input when drafting players.

Mike Shanahan has had worst drafts, with years of experience.
Name 1 draft worse than that first draft by McDaniels. Shanahan made a few bad draft picks, but McDaniels wasted 3 1st round picks, a second, and 2 3rds on the first 2 rounds.
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I am not sure how you can defend a guy who doesn't automatically decline a holding call on 3rd down after a stop that makes the down and distance 4th and 7.

He needs to be fired. If he loses 2 more games I would fire him before the end of the year just to send a message to the team. Might wait until week 13 to do so but I would consider it.

VJ needs to go, he and his masterful Defense stratgey's need to go.
Doesn't matter what you would do because you're not mentality equipped to make any decision like that.

Send a message to the team? For what season, this season? Next season when we have roster turnover + new staff from hiring new coach? What coach wants to work here when you're firing HC's mid season when they're still competing?

You're just too stupid.

You're making too much of that 3rd down holding call. Some coaches would actually accept that penalty to gain field position + give your defense change to make a play. If this was 2015 Broncos defense it probably would be wise to accept that penalty.

Ultimately the right call was made, you're cherry picking.
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