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Old 03-20-2017, 10:38 PM   #1
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Default Five takeaways from a historic hearing into Russian meddling in the U.S. election



After more than five hours of testimony by FBI Director James B. Comey and National Security Agency Director Michael Rogers to a House committee investigating Russian meddling in the 2016 election, we can point to five key takeaways.

Most of it is bad news for the Trump administration.

1) Comey told the House Intelligence Committee that not only was the FBI investigating Russian interference in the campaign but he also dropped this bombshell: FBI agents are probing potential "coordination" between the Trump campaign and the Russian government. This investigation could lead to criminal charges.

Comey's exact statement (emphasis added):

"I have been authorized by the Department of Justice to confirm that the FBI, as part of our counterintelligence mission, is investigating the Russian government's efforts to interfere in the 2016 presidential election and that includes investigating the nature of any links between individuals associated with the Trump campaign and the Russian government and whether there was any coordination between the campaign and Russia's efforts. As with any counterintelligence investigation, this will also include an assessment of whether any crimes were committed."

2) There was no wiretapping of Trump Tower by President Obama or anyone else. On March 4, Trump tweeted explosive accusations that his predecessor had ordered wiretapping of his phones in Trump Tower.

Comey refuted the claims in this way:

"With respect to the president's tweets about alleged wiretapping directed at him by the prior administration, I have no information that supports those tweets and we have looked carefully inside the FBI," Comey testified. "The Department of Justice has asked me to share with you that the answer is the same for the Department of Justice and all its components. The department has no information that supports those tweets."

He later pointed out that no president has the authority to order a wiretap. It requires a warrant from a special panel of judges.

3) Rogers rejected the possibility that British spies had eavesdropped on Trump Tower at Obama's request, as the White House suggested last week.


On Thursday, Sean Spicer, the White House spokesman, cited a claim by a Fox News commentator that British intelligence had spied on Trump before his inauguration to keep "American fingerprints" off the surveillance.

The British signals agency, known as GCHQ, issued a rare and angry denial. A spokesman for Prime Minister Theresa May also denied the allegation, and the British Embassy in Washington, D.C., complained to the White House.

Trump last week declined to withdraw the allegation during a news conference with German Chancellor Angela Merkel, and referred reporters to Fox News for comment. Fox News later said it had no evidence "full stop" to support the commentator's claim.

Here is the exchange between Democratic Rep. Adam Schiff (D-Burbank), the ranking member of the committee, and Rogers:

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"Director Rogers, in an effort to explain why there was no evidence supporting the president's claim that Obama had wiretapped him, the president and his spokesman, Sean Spicer, have suggested that British intelligence through its NSA or GCHQ wiretapped Mr. Trump on President Obama's behalf," Schiff asked. "Did you ever request that your counterparts in GCHQ should wiretap Mr. Trump on behalf of President Obama?"

"No sir, nor would I," Rogers said, adding that such a request "would be expressly against the construct" of an agreement between the U.S. and its closest allies "that's been in place for decades."

Rogers added that the allegation "frustrates a key ally of ours" and was "not helpful."
4) Two hearings were occurring at the same time. Democrats pressed for details about ties between Russian officials and Trump's current and former aides, and sought to lay out an elaborate but circumstantial case of potential nefarious activity by the Trump campaign.

Republicans didn't rush to defend Trump. They instead sought to redirect the hearing's focus onto another potential crime: leaking of classified material.

They spent a great deal of time probing Comey and Rogers about disclosures of classified material to news organizations that led, in part, to the ouster of Trump's first national security adviser, Michael Flynn.

News reports last month revealed that Flynn had spoken several times to the Russian ambassador in December, including about U.S. sanctions on Russia, and had misled Vice President Mike Pence about those conversations.

"We aim to determine who has leaked or facilitated leaks of classified information so that these individuals can be brought to justice," said Rep. Devin Nunes (R-Tulare), the committee chairman.

"I thought it was against the law to disseminate classified information," agreed Rep.Trey Gowdy (R-S.C.) during a long stretch of queries about the nature of the leaks and the consequences for the leakers and the nation.

Comey and Rogers both said leaking of classified information was a serious offense but they declined to reveal any details about probes into unauthorized disclosures of classified material.

5) Comey and Rogers stood by a U.S. intelligence community report released in early January that concluded that Russian President Vladimir Putin had authorized meddling in the election to undermine U.S. democracy, to harm Democratic nominee Hillary Clinton and to boost Trump's chances.

"They wanted to hurt our democracy, hurt her, help him," Comey said, adding that "Putin hated Secretary Clinton so much that .. he had a clear preference for the person running against the person he hated so much."

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Reality is closing in on the orange buffoon and the sycophants surrounding him.

FBI’s Trump-Russia probe knocks White House on its heels

Trump’s team scrambles to contain fallout as Comey confirms investigation and debunks wiretapping claim.

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"Monday’s House Intelligence Committee hearing with FBI Director James Comey is still causing shock waves throughout the political world, and historian Douglas Brinkley believes that it’s an unprecedented moment in American politics.

Speaking with the Washington Post, Brinkley said he could not ever recall a time when a senior federal law enforcement official publicly confirmed a major criminal investigation into the campaign of a sitting president."

‘There’s a smell of treason in the air’: Historian Douglas Brinkley analyzes ‘mind-boggling’ Comey hearing

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For a year, some of the smartest people in America tried to tell the country that Trump was morally, psychologically and temperamentally unfit for the office.
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Schumer calls for delaying Gorsuch vote because of Trump-Russia probe

“It is unseemly to be moving forward so fast on confirming a Supreme Court justice with a lifetime appointment while this big gray cloud of an FBI investigation hangs over the presidency,” Schumer said.

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Evidently the FBI Counter Intelligence Unit is focused on social media bot attacks as part of the multi-prong attack by the Russian.

A little background by the Huffington Post

WASHINGTON ― Last June, John Mattes started noticing something coursing like a virus through the Facebook page he helped administer for Bernie Sanders fans in San Diego. People with no apparent ties to California were friending the page and sharing links from unfamiliar sites full of anti-Hillary Clinton propaganda.

The stories they posted weren’t the normal complaints he was used to seeing as the Vermont senator and the former secretary of state fought out the Democratic presidential primary. These stories alleged that Clinton had murdered her political opponents and used body doubles.

Mattes, 66, had been a television reporter and Senate investigator in previous lives. He put his expertise in unmasking fraudsters to work. At first, he suspected that the sites were created by the old Clinton haters from the ‘90s ― what Hillary Clinton had dubbed “the vast right-wing conspiracy.”

But when Mattes started tracking down the sites’ domain registrations, the trail led to Macedonia and Albania. In mid-September, he emailed a few of his private investigator friends with a list of the sites. “Very creepy and i do not think Koch brothers,” he wrote.



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Another dirty player...

New documents show Trump aide laundered payments from party with Moscow ties, lawmaker alleges

KIEV, Ukraine — A Ukrainian lawmaker released new financial documents Tuesday allegedly showing that a former campaign chairman for President Trump laundered payments from the party of a disgraced ex-leader of Ukraine using offshore accounts in Belize and Kyrgyzstan.

The new documents, if legitimate, stem from business ties between the Trump aide, Paul Manafort, and the party of former Ukrainian president Viktor Yanukovych, who enjoyed Moscow’s backing while he was in power. He has been in hiding in Russia since being overthrown by pro-Western protesters in 2014, and is wanted in Ukraine on corruption charges.

The latest documents were released just hours after the House Intelligence Committee questioned FBI Director James B. Comey about possible coordination between the Trump campaign and Moscow. The hearing that also touched on Manafort’s work for Yanukovych’s party in Ukraine.

Comey declined to say whether the FBI is coordinating with Ukraine on an investigation of the alleged payments to Manafort.

Manafort, who worked for Yanukovych’s Party of Regions for nearly a decade, resigned from Trump’s campaign in August after his name surfaced in connection with secret payments totaling $12.7 million by Yanukovych’s party. Manafort has denied receiving those, listed in the party’s “black ledger.”

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Trump missed his chance to fire Comey.

You have not mentioned what CIA top official Mike Morrell said -- that there is no evidence.
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New documents show Trump aide laundered payments from party with Moscow ties, lawmaker alleges

KIEV, Ukraine — A Ukrainian lawmaker released new financial documents Tuesday allegedly showing that a former campaign chairman for President Trump laundered payments from the party of a disgraced ex-leader of Ukraine using offshore accounts in Belize and Kyrgyzstan.

The new documents, if legitimate, stem from business ties between the Trump aide, Paul Manafort, and the party of former Ukrainian president Viktor Yanukovych, who enjoyed Moscow’s backing while he was in power. He has been in hiding in Russia since being overthrown by pro-Western protesters in 2014, and is wanted in Ukraine on corruption charges.

The latest documents were released just hours after the House Intelligence Committee questioned FBI Director James B. Comey about possible coordination between the Trump campaign and Moscow. The hearing that also touched on Manafort’s work for Yanukovych’s party in Ukraine.

Comey declined to say whether the FBI is coordinating with Ukraine on an investigation of the alleged payments to Manafort.

Manafort, who worked for Yanukovych’s Party of Regions for nearly a decade, resigned from Trump’s campaign in August after his name surfaced in connection with secret payments totaling $12.7 million by Yanukovych’s party. Manafort has denied receiving those, listed in the party’s “black ledger.”

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This is hilarious!

You really expect us to believe this?
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This is hilarious!

You really expect us to believe this?
I wouldn't expect you to believe anything that didn't come from some whacky conspiracy site.

Anything else would be totally out of character for you.
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Trump's former campaign chairman secretly worked for a Russian billionaire to help Putin a decade ago.



Paul Manafort had an ambitious plan to benefit the Putin government

He also proposed an ambitious political strategy to undermine anti-Russian opposition across former Soviet republics.
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Evidently the FBI Counter Intelligence Unit is focused on social media bot attacks as part of the multi-prong attack by the Russian.

A little background by the Huffington Post

WASHINGTON ― Last June, John Mattes started noticing something coursing like a virus through the Facebook page he helped administer for Bernie Sanders fans in San Diego. People with no apparent ties to California were friending the page and sharing links from unfamiliar sites full of anti-Hillary Clinton propaganda.

The stories they posted weren’t the normal complaints he was used to seeing as the Vermont senator and the former secretary of state fought out the Democratic presidential primary. These stories alleged that Clinton had murdered her political opponents and used body doubles.

Mattes, 66, had been a television reporter and Senate investigator in previous lives. He put his expertise in unmasking fraudsters to work. At first, he suspected that the sites were created by the old Clinton haters from the ‘90s ― what Hillary Clinton had dubbed “the vast right-wing conspiracy.”

But when Mattes started tracking down the sites’ domain registrations, the trail led to Macedonia and Albania. In mid-September, he emailed a few of his private investigator friends with a list of the sites. “Very creepy and i do not think Koch brothers,” he wrote.



http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/...b0ed71826cdb36

Spreading propaganda is not illegal nor does it constitute rigging our election. If it were, then every poster on this forum is guilty of the charge. It would also mean that every election we have every had was "rigged". However, the complaint about social media and how easy it is to spread false information is legitimate, but the problem is the fault of the social media product owner (aka Twitter and Facebook). Not that of government or a candidate.
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Spreading propaganda is not illegal nor does it constitute rigging our election.
It's an attempt by a foreign actor to corrupt our democratic institutions and to influence our elections.

Or course, you have no problem with this sort of thing as long as it appears to benefit your candidate and your party.
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This scumbag needs to go too...

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FBI Director Comey’s testimony suggests that Priebus lied — and may have obstructed justice.
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It's an attempt by a foreign actor to corrupt our democratic institutions and to influence our elections.

Or course, you have no problem with this sort of thing as long as it appears to benefit your candidate and your party.
Again, my candidate (Johnson) lost the election and I am not a member of any political faction. 3rd parties or nations trying to influence our national elections is not new, not illegal, nor unexpected. However, spreading propaganda or yellow journalism is not illegal, and never has been illegal. What I am stating is if you have a problem that foreign actors were able to spread propaganda to the users of Facebook, then blame Facebook.

Of course we haven't gotten into exactly what was propaganda, but that is another conversation.
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Again, my candidate (Johnson) lost the election and I am not a member of any political faction. 3rd parties or nations trying to influence our national elections is not new, not illegal, nor unexpected. However, spreading propaganda or yellow journalism is not illegal, and never has been illegal. What I am stating is if you have a problem that foreign actors were able to spread propaganda to the users of Facebook, then blame Facebook.

Of course we haven't gotten into exactly what was propaganda, but that is another conversation.


"Not a member of any political faction?"

Dude! It's me! I've been reading your posts for 17 years, if you count the DPO.

You've been carrying water for the GOP, Bush, and now tRump, from day one.
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Spreading propaganda is not illegal nor does it constitute rigging our election. If it were, then every poster on this forum is guilty of the charge. It would also mean that every election we have every had was "rigged". However, the complaint about social media and how easy it is to spread false information is legitimate, but the problem is the fault of the social media product owner (aka Twitter and Facebook). Not that of government or a candidate.
You are missing the point. It was part of the campaign via Russia to influence the election. This is information warfare with modern twist.
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Clinton Ally Says Smoke, But No Fire: No Russia-Trump Collusion

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Former Acting CIA Director Michael Morell, who endorsed Hillary Clinton and called Donald Trump a dupe of Russia, cast doubt Wednesday night on allegations that members of the Trump campaign colluded with Russia.

Morell, who was in line to become CIA director if Clinton won, said he had seen no evidence that Trump associates cooperated with Russians. He also raised questions about the dossier written by a former British intelligence officer, which alleged a conspiracy between the Trump campaign and Russia.

His comments were in sharp contrast to those of many Clinton partisans — such as former communications director Jennifer Palmieri — who have stated publicly they believe the Trump campaign cooperated with Russia's efforts to interfere in the election against Clinton.

Morell said he had learned that the former officer, Christopher Steele, paid his key Russian sources, and interviewed them through intermediaries.

"On the question of the Trump campaign conspiring with the Russians here, there is smoke, but there is no fire, at all," Morell said at an event sponsored by the Cipher Brief, an intelligence web site.

"There's no little campfire, there's no little candle, there's no spark. And there's a lot of people looking for it."

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Why the Russia Story Is a Minefield for Democrats and the Media

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March 8, 2017

Former Director of National Intelligence James Clapper appeared on Meet the Press this past weekend to discuss the Trump-Russia scandal. Chuck Todd asked: Were there improper contacts between the Trump campaign and Russian officials?

JAMES CLAPPER: We did not include any evidence in our report, and I say, "our," that's N.S.A., F.B.I. and C.I.A., with my office, the Director of National Intelligence, that had anything, that had any reflection of collusion between members of the Trump campaign and the Russians. There was no evidence of that…

CHUCK TODD: I understand that. But does it exist?

JAMES CLAPPER: Not to my knowledge.

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