Obama threw 20 billion extra to the VA, no results.

[cutthemdown]

Originally Posted by DenverBrit

Almost as expensive as investigating a BJ.

Yep repubs worry about things like communism spreading, rebels who need weapons, tyrants who need a beat down.

Dems worry about getting sucked off by interns and banging her twat with a cigar.

[pricejj]

http://online.wsj.com/articles/steph...are-1402441569

"Fearing the political fallout before November's elections, the administration last month quietly increased by billions of dollars the "risk corridor" funds that insurance companies can use to staunch their losses.

Yet since premium growth has averaged at least 5% over the past five years, it is unlikely the law's federal subsidies will increase enough to make up the difference in out-of-pocket premium costs. As this happens, lower- and even middle-income consumers will be forced out of the private insurance market."

[Missouribronc]

Originally Posted by pricejj

http://online.wsj.com/articles/steph...are-1402441569

"Fearing the political fallout before November's elections, the administration last month quietly increased by billions of dollars the "risk corridor" funds that insurance companies can use to staunch their losses.

Yet since premium growth has averaged at least 5% over the past five years, it is unlikely the law's federal subsidies will increase enough to make up the difference in out-of-pocket premium costs. As this happens, lower- and even middle-income consumers will be forced out of the private insurance market."

Eric Cantor just got his ass handed to him.

The Republicans aren't any better off.

[pricejj]

Originally Posted by Missouribronc

Eric Cantor just got his ass handed to him.

The Republicans aren't any better off.

Good. Anybody who promotes and perpetuates debt as a way towards economic sustainability is lying to the American people.

[BroncoBeavis]

Originally Posted by TonyR

A "witch hunt"?

http://www.fas.org/irp/offdocs/walsh/summpros.htm

...14 persons were charged with criminal offenses. Eleven persons were convicted, but two convictions were overturned on appeal. Two persons were pardoned before trial and one case was dismissed when the Bush Administration declined to declassify information necessary for trial.

Lulz. And Fail.

http://articles.orlandosentinel.com/...-federal-grand

Whitewater

The panel, set to expire May 7, was empaneled two years ago to continue the work of the original Whitewater grand jury seated in 1994. The Whitewater investigation has produced charges against 17 people, leading to 15 convictions including former Gov. Jim Guy Tucker and James and Susan McDougal, the Clintons' former Whitewater business partners.

And note, that was before the blue dress, or Ms Lewinsky's testimony.

Give into your non-hypocritical side, Tony. Say it with me. "Iran Contra was a witch hunt"

[Rigs11]

Originally Posted by BroncoBeavis

BTW, that article I cited earlier mentioned $30 million on Iran Contra. Adjusted for inflation, that's 50+ million.

I think it's a safe bet that none of the Obama scandal investigations have approached anything like that amount yet.

Say it with me, libocrites. Iran Contra was a Witch Hunt.

Benghazi is at 14 million already.

[cutthemdown]

Has Obama declared this old news yet? Just checking with the liberal ass munchers on the board to get the scoop on it.

[BroncoBeavis]

http://www.cnn.com/2014/06/23/us/pho...ons/index.html

Records of dead veterans were changed or physically altered, some even in recent weeks, to hide how many people died while waiting for care at the Phoenix VA hospital, a whistle-blower told CNN in stunning revelations that point to a new coverup in the ongoing VA scandal.
"Deceased" notes on files were removed to make statistics look better, so veterans would not be counted as having died while waiting for care, Pauline DeWenter said.

Terrible.

More evidence underlining just how much your government really cares about you.

The fewer people go to jail, the higher up you know this goes. Although I really doubt this could go any higher than maybe the bureaucratic head of the VA.

[barryr]

The liberals are too busy excusing deserters than worrying about the real heroes.

[cutthemdown]

http://www.newsmax.com/Newsfront/VA-.../24/id/578858/

[cutthemdown]

The coverup continues.

[barryr]

And this is just the VA. How many other government agencies are cooking books, getting bonuses for work not done, with little to no oversight? Thank about it.

[cutthemdown]

I'd love to see what the EPA is really up to Barry.

[barryr]

Originally Posted by cutthemdown

I'd love to see what the EPA is really up to Barry.

, funny you should bring them up. Our government is such a joke.

"The Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) and the IRS share a problem: officials say they cannot provide the emails a congressional committee has requested because an employee’s hard drive crashed."

"EPA Administrator Gina McCarthy confirmed to the House Oversight Committee Wednesday that her staff is unable to provide lawmakers all of the documents they have requested on the proposed Pebble Mine in Alaska, because of a 2010 computer crash."

http://thehill.com/policy/energy-env...ed-emails-lost

[cutthemdown]

Barry it's almost funny if it wasn't so important. Obama is like Monty Python, merely a flesh wound!

[BroncoBeavis]

Originally Posted by barryr

, funny you should bring them up. Our government is such a joke.

"The Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) and the IRS share a problem: officials say they cannot provide the emails a congressional committee has requested because an employee’s hard drive crashed."

"EPA Administrator Gina McCarthy confirmed to the House Oversight Committee Wednesday that her staff is unable to provide lawmakers all of the documents they have requested on the proposed Pebble Mine in Alaska, because of a 2010 computer crash."

http://thehill.com/policy/energy-env...ed-emails-lost

Holy schnikes. The feds should file a class action against Seagate and WD. This shiite is epidemic.

[barryr]

Yeah, the VA doing wonderfully. Idiot Krugman probably still thinks it's great. Well, here's socialized medicine for you. A vet with a brain tumor finally gets his appointment. A letter in the mail wanting a prompt response to their desire for "timely health care." Only, his wife had to open the letter because he's not there to see it since he DIED 2 YEARS AGO! And not only that, when she tried to apply for burial benefits for her husband 2 years ago, she was denied. Why? Because he wasn't treated at a VA hospital. Socialized medicine coming to a hospital near you. Shameful to say the least.

http://boston.cbslocal.com/2014/06/3...after-he-died/

[pricejj]

^ It's horrific.

This isn't just a problem with the VA. It's a problem with every single-payer system in the world. That's why even European countries have increasing healthcare privatization.

The US Socialist Regressives are chasing after a 60-year old failed model of healthcare. It's an unsustainable, repressive model that is on it's way out.

[cutthemdown]

Originally Posted by barryr

Yeah, the VA doing wonderfully. Idiot Krugman probably still thinks it's great. Well, here's socialized medicine for you. A vet with a brain tumor finally gets his appointment. A letter in the mail wanting a prompt response to their desire for "timely health care." Only, his wife had to open the letter because he's not there to see it since he DIED 2 YEARS AGO! And not only that, when she tried to apply for burial benefits for her husband 2 years ago, she was denied. Why? Because he wasn't treated at a VA hospital. Socialized medicine coming to a hospital near you. Shameful to say the least.

http://boston.cbslocal.com/2014/06/3...after-he-died/

Wow!

[DenverBrit]

As bad as the VA scandals are, private health care has its own issues.

Some years ago, I worked on a project with a major malpractice carrier to create a system to record patient incidents in PA hospitals.

It was eye opening.

Findings nation wide.

Preventable Medical Errors – The Sixth Biggest Killer in America

Preventable medical errors kill and seriously injure hundreds of thousands of Americans every year. Any discussion of medical negligence that does not
involve preventable medical errors ignores this fundamental problem. And while some interested parties would prefer to focus on doctors’ insurance
premiums, health care costs, or alternative compensation systems
—anything other than the negligence itself—reducing medical errors is the best way to address all the related problems. Preventing medical errors will
lower health care costs, reduce doctors’ insurance premiums, and protect the health and well-being of patients.


The Institute of Medicine’s (IOM) seminal study of preventable medical errors estimated as many as 98,000 people die every year at a cost of $29 billion.1 If the Centers for Disease Control were to include preventable
medical errors as a category, these conclusions would make it the sixth leading cause of death in America. 2

Further research has confirmed the extent of medical errors. The Congressional Budget Office (CBO) found that there were 181,000 severe
injuries attributable to medical negligence in 2003.3 The Institute for Healthcare Improvement estimates there are 15 million incidents of medical
harm each year.4 HealthGrades, the nation’s leading healthcare rating organization, found that Medicare patients who experienced a patient-safety
incident had a one-in-five chance of dying as a result.5

http://www.justice.org/cps/rde/justice/hs.xsl/8677.htm

[pricejj]

^ Maybe if doctors didn't have to contend with all the paperwork that's necessary with Medicare/Obamacare they would have more time to spend with their patients. I used to work in a pharmacy, and you wouldn't believe how much more paperwork we had to do starting in 2009 after Obamacare was enacted.

Imagine how simple and effective it would be if private patients paid the doctor directly with mandatory HSA's? Cut out the middleman, and the time/bureaucracy that goes along with it. That's a true private market.

[DenverBrit]

Originally Posted by pricejj

^ Maybe if doctors didn't have to contend with all the paperwork that's necessary with Medicare/Obamacare they would have more time to spend with their patients. I used to work in a pharmacy, and you wouldn't believe how much more paperwork we had to do starting in 2009 after Obamacare was enacted.

Imagine how simple and effective it would be if private patients paid the doctor directly with mandatory HSA's? Cut out the middleman, and the time/bureaucracy that goes along with it. That's a true private market.

That's not the problem, there was no Obamacare in 2003, the data year, though the paperwork is terrible.....including that requested by insurance companies.

The Economist recently had a good article about the bureaucracy in US healthcare. One example: Medicare has 140,000 reporting codes, in one instance, there are 8 codes for an injury by moose.

It would be funny if it weren't tragic.

[pricejj]

Originally Posted by DenverBrit

That's not the problem, there was no Obamacare in 2003, the data year, though the paperwork is terrible.....including that requested by insurance companies.

The Economist recently had a good article about the bureaucracy in US healthcare. One example: Medicare has 140,000 reporting codes, in one instance, there are 8 codes for an injury by moose.

It would be funny if it weren't tragic.

Medicare has always been the primary problem. And Obamacare has made Medicare worse. Sprawling bureaucracy is the problem. That's why Medicare needs to be reformed and completely separated from private industry. It's a snow-balling bureaucratic leviathan of cost. Medicare should be a completely separate system, with a comprehensive defined price list, and limited taxpayer liability.

I agree insurance companies are a major problem too. That's why private insurance in the form of mandatory HSA's is so important. If people had their own money, no one would even want to deal with insurance companies.

Cut out ALL the middle men, and watch costs plummet, while quality and efficiency skyrockets.

[cutthemdown]

Having worked with some hospitals on big cases one thing that I noticed is too many people being paid to not take care of patients.

Hospitals can become like mini govts with lots of waste and cover ups. I'm not saying private healthcare a utopia of great medical coverage, I am saying making it bigger, all under the feds, is going to make it worst.

We aren't saying staying in Iraq would have made the region perfect. We are saying it would be better off then what Obama has now.

[barryr]

Originally Posted by cutthemdown

Having worked with some hospitals on big cases one thing that I noticed is too many people being paid to not take care of patients.

Hospitals can become like mini govts with lots of waste and cover ups. I'm not saying private healthcare a utopia of great medical coverage, I am saying making it bigger, all under the feds, is going to make it worst.

We aren't saying staying in Iraq would have made the region perfect. We are saying it would be better off then what Obama has now.

Exactly! Too many "supervisors" where papers get shuffled from one desk to another and sit for weeks if not months. Is there a real reason other than someone's pride and work ethic to see work gets done in a timely manner? No, you can get bonuses and make it all up. Who is going to check? Some supervisor who spends more time out of the office than in it? Heck, all one has to do is look at Obama's wife and the cushy, high paying job she held at a hospital. Yeah, that wasn't waste was it.