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Old 06-15-2014, 11:02 PM   #526
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I agree but the issue with that is going to be the top players in other countries are playing and getting paid as professionals. In the US they will be going for scholarships and amateur status.
It's a good point. Do the Euro teams pay the kids in their feeder systems?
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Old 06-15-2014, 11:03 PM   #527
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It's a good point. Do the Euro teams pay the kids in their feeder systems?
I believe they get a stipend and are signed to future contracts.
The academies that sell them get the most benefit initially.
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I believe they get a stipend and are signed to future contracts.
The academies that sell them get the most benefit initially.
well, yeah, i dunno. Our talent will somehow have to develop in the Euro leagues considering all the best ones are there, but we can do a better job of finding it. We have a population of 300 million, with an enormous immigrant population that adores the game. My best guess is we aren't finding these kids.

If a poor kid is really good at basketball, he's found. I bet we can't say the same about soccer. But it is a unique disadvantage we have not having the major leagues here...then again, South America figures it out.
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I agree but the issue with that is going to be the top players in other countries are playing and getting paid as professionals. In the US they will be going for scholarships and amateur status.
No, if they are good they will end up like Rossi. They will be shipped over.
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well, yeah, i dunno. Our talent will somehow have to develop in the Euro leagues considering all the best ones are there, but we can do a better job of finding it. We have a population of 300 million, with an enormous immigrant population that adores the game. My best guess is we aren't finding these kids.

If a poor kid is really good at basketball, he's found. I bet we can't say the same about soccer. But it is a unique disadvantage we have not having the major leagues here...then again, South America figures it out.
America as a talent base is there. Developing them is a different story.
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Old 06-15-2014, 11:29 PM   #531
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well, yeah, i dunno. Our talent will somehow have to develop in the Euro leagues considering all the best ones are there, but we can do a better job of finding it. We have a population of 300 million, with an enormous immigrant population that adores the game. My best guess is we aren't finding these kids.

If a poor kid is really good at basketball, he's found. I bet we can't say the same about soccer. But it is a unique disadvantage we have not having the major leagues here...then again, South America figures it out.

Absolutely this.


The problems with this country, in terms of soccer, are coaching at the youth level and scouting.


A development program wouldn't fly in the US because its too rigid. That's always been our problem with Hockey as well. The Canadians, Sweeds, and Russians treat hockey development like others treat soccer, we don't. There are those who do, and it pays off, but its regional, expensive as hell, and takes a dedicated parent. Soccer is treated much the same way, and the concept of a sports oriented boarding program would drive psychologists in this country off a cliff. Culturally I just don't see that being a possibility in the United States.
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No, if they are good they will end up like Rossi. They will be shipped over.
Most countries start grooming their future stars at 12 or so with club teams. There isn't a chance in hell a parent is going to sign off on allowing their kid to go from the US to a EPL team that young.

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well, yeah, i dunno. Our talent will somehow have to develop in the Euro leagues considering all the best ones are there, but we can do a better job of finding it. We have a population of 300 million, with an enormous immigrant population that adores the game. My best guess is we aren't finding these kids.

If a poor kid is really good at basketball, he's found. I bet we can't say the same about soccer. But it is a unique disadvantage we have not having the major leagues here...then again, South America figures it out.
It has to do with the focus on kids and parents.
Most funnel their kids into football, baseball, basketball or hockey.
Sports that all lead to scholarships and pathways to professional leagues.
Soccer isn't seen in the same manner by the US. Heck racing, tennis and golf are arguably more popular for this country.

Kids tend to follow the flock with popularity. Until you get a Tiger, MJ, Gretzky, Phelps or etc then the sport will always lag behind for kids.
They look up to guys who play in popular sports and dream of being the next guy to come from a certain background to make it.
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Absolutely this.


The problems with this country, in terms of soccer, are coaching at the youth level and scouting.


A development program wouldn't fly in the US because its too rigid. That's always been our problem with Hockey as well. The Canadians, Sweeds, and Russians treat hockey development like others treat soccer, we don't. There are those who do, and it pays off, but its regional, expensive as hell, and takes a dedicated parent. Soccer is treated much the same way, and the concept of a sports oriented boarding program would drive psychologists in this country off a cliff. Culturally I just don't see that being a possibility in the United States.
Jurgen said it when he took over. The focus in the US is to get their kids scholarships and to potentially play professionally after.
Which is fine, but when the rest of the world is already better and you need to catch up you have to change your way of doing things.

That's why he pushed all of his players to get on European clubs and face the best competition. He cannot do it at the youth level so he has to adjust.
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Jurgen said it when he took over. The focus in the US is to get their kids scholarships and to potentially play professionally after.
Which is fine, but when the rest of the world is already better and you need to catch up you have to change your way of doing things.

That's why he pushed all of his players to get on European clubs and face the best competition. He cannot do it at the youth level so he has to adjust.
And that's why he's the best fit for coach of the USMNT, the man gets it, I just hope he can do something with the time he has.
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And that's why he's the best fit for coach of the USMNT, the man gets it, I just hope he can do something with the time he has.
I was excited as hell when they hired him. Thought it was so dumb how so many were annoyed that the US hired a non American coach.
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Absolutely this.


The problems with this country, in terms of soccer, are coaching at the youth level and scouting.


A development program wouldn't fly in the US because its too rigid. That's always been our problem with Hockey as well. The Canadians, Sweeds, and Russians treat hockey development like others treat soccer, we don't. There are those who do, and it pays off, but its regional, expensive as hell, and takes a dedicated parent. Soccer is treated much the same way, and the concept of a sports oriented boarding program would drive psychologists in this country off a cliff. Culturally I just don't see that being a possibility in the United States.
This country has no problem doing it with girls.

Tennis, volleyball, gymnastics, softball...to name a few.

But, for some reason, club sports with boys isn't the acceptable route of development.
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Old 06-16-2014, 04:59 AM   #537
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And that's why he's the best fit for coach of the USMNT, the man gets it, I just hope he can do something with the time he has.
This, I'm glad he's signed though the next WC, so he has a chance to make some changes.
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Old 06-16-2014, 07:50 AM   #538
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Holland has totally underachieved in international play, and the rankings aren't just about who you play in international competition, they are about who makes up your team.
Holland has always been an under achiever since they started playing soccer. If you were to create a fantasy team of the greatest soccer player of all time, Holland will make up half the team.

Cryuff, Gullit, Van Basten, Bergkemp, Rikaard, Stam, Krol, Neeskens, Koeman, van der sal, overmars, davids, seedorf, nistelroy.

people always talk about pele and maradona. many forget about cryuff. the guy who invented total football.

i know many talk about ronaldo (brazil) being the best striker of all time. I don't agree. I think its about qualify and not quantity. Ronaldo was great, and scored many goals, but he was all about speed. once he lost that speed, he was no longer good ie ronaldinho. Van Basten and Bergkemp is different. Now van bastens career was stopped short because of injury, however he averaged .99 goals per game. and the quality of his goals are incredible. the goal he scored vs russia in the euro championship was incredible. most will not even attempt such a shot and would be deemed over ambitious.



the goal by bergkemp vs argentina was crazy. to control the ball like that is crazy

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Holland has always been an under achiever since they started playing soccer. If you were to create a fantasy team of the greatest soccer player of all time, Holland will make up half the team.

Cryuff, Gullit, Van Basten, Bergkemp, Rikaard, Stam, Krol, Neeskens, Koeman, van der sal, overmars, davids, seedorf, nistelroy.

people always talk about pele and maradona. many forget about cryuff. the guy who invented total football.

i know many talk about ronaldo (brazil) being the best striker of all time. I don't agree. I think its about qualify and not quantity. Ronaldo was great, and scored many goals, but he was all about speed. once he lost that speed, he was no longer good ie ronaldinho. Van Basten and Bergkemp is different. Now van bastens career was stopped short because of injury, however he averaged .99 goals per game. and the quality of his goals are incredible. the goal he scored vs russia in the euro championship was incredible. most will not even attempt such a shot and would be deemed over ambitious.



the goal by bergkemp vs argentina was crazy. to control the ball like that is crazy

Know you are talking about Holland mostly, but when talking about the best you have to mention Franz Beckenbauer and George Best and more recently Zidane. Just sublime.

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Time to get the Ghana monkey off our back.

(this post is not racist or a hate crime. I am just sick of losing to them in the WC!!!)
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I think you would want Germany to pound Portugal 5-0
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They are well on their way.
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This is a disaster for Portugal.
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