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Old 07-19-2018, 05:15 PM   #626
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I think all the pressure is on the offensive line. The QB can make the plays. Bolles? Isn't he supposed to get better? Football starts up front.


Bolles should be fine. Leary and Veldheer staying healthy the biggest concerns for me. Those 2 at full health greatly improves the OL.
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Old 07-19-2018, 10:21 PM   #627
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Stop. NFL teams rely on their strengths. They do not follow one formula. Patriots have had **** all no names at RB.

Undervalued? He was given chances before.
When?
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Old 07-19-2018, 10:22 PM   #628
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Bolles should be fine. Leary and Veldheer staying healthy the biggest concerns for me. Those 2 at full health greatly improves the OL.
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Bolles should be fine.
I always love these dismissive, definitive statements... I read a lot of these same quotes about Sanchez too...
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When?
4th team(3 starter) means multiple chances....he’s not undervalued.




As far as Bolles, did he suck last year? No. Will Keenum make him look better than Siemian and co did? That answer should be yes.

Lmao at clowns blaming Bolles for sacks and pressures 15 steps behind the LOS. Some here complained he was in the wrong spot when it was Siemian in the Wrong spot.

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Old 07-20-2018, 10:19 PM   #631
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I always love these dismissive, definitive statements... I read a lot of these same quotes about Sanchez too...


“Should” not definitive.


Do you see “will” when I type “should”
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Im done being optimistic. Every optimistic post is followed by some bozo questioning it.




You’re right. Bolles sucks and Keenum will get his ass handed to him.


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4th team(3 starter) means multiple chances....he’s not undervalued.
I know how many teams he's been on. That has little to do with being given a chance. Check his numbers, and his record. He outplayed most of the guys who started ahead of him, but Minnesota was the first team to give him a chance. The fact that a UDFA doesn't get a shot should come as no surprise to you.

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As far as Bolles, did he suck last year? No. Will Keenum make him look better than Siemian and co did? That answer should be yes.

Lmao at clowns blaming Bolles for sacks and pressures 15 steps behind the LOS. Some here complained he was in the wrong spot when it was Siemian in the Wrong spot.
I'm pretty sure most of the sacks he gave up were his fault, and all of the penalties.

So yeah...he pretty much did suck. That said...most OL rookies do, especially those playing LT. He himself admitted he has to get bigger and stronger to play the position. I expect some improvement, but it remains to be seen how much of course.

Replacing the QB doesn't magically make the line better, contrary to what you've heard in here.

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Im done being optimistic. Every optimistic post is followed by some bozo questioning it.




You’re right. Bolles sucks and Keenum will get his ass handed to him.


4-12.
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I know how many teams he's been on. That has little to do with being given a chance. Check his numbers, and his record. He outplayed most of the guys who started ahead of him, but Minnesota was the first team to give him a chance. The fact that a UDFA doesn't get a shot should come as no surprise to you.


I'm pretty sure most of the sacks he gave up were his fault, and all of the penalties.

So yeah...he pretty much did suck. That said...most rookies do, especially those playing LT. He himself admitted he has to get bigger and stronger to play the position.

Replacing the QB doesn't magically make the line better, contrary to what you've heard in here.



You’re right. We suck.


I shouldn’t be optimistic about bolles. Elway is a joke for taking an old retard over Ramcyk.


I used to say the above but tried to be better and optimistic about it. I’m now saying it again.
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You’re right. We suck.


I shouldn’t be optimistic about bolles. Elway is a joke for taking an old retard over Ramcyk.


I used to say the above but tried to be better and optimistic about it. I’m now saying it again.
You're the one saying we suck. I said nothing of the kind.

Overreaction much?
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I know how many teams he's been on. That has little to do with being given a chance. Check his numbers, and his record. He outplayed most of the guys who started ahead of him, but Minnesota was the first team to give him a chance. The fact that a UDFA doesn't get a shot should come as no surprise to you.


I'm pretty sure most of the sacks he gave up were his fault, and all of the penalties.

So yeah...he pretty much did suck. That said...most OL rookies do, especially those playing LT. He himself admitted he has to get bigger and stronger to play the position. I expect some improvement, but it remains to be seen how much of course.

Replacing the QB doesn't magically make the line better, contrary to what you've heard in here.


Bolded is wrong.

What happens when a QB holds onto the ball too long? Penalties happen. Pressure happens. Sacks happen. Chances all that happens when a QB gets the ball gets out on time drops. So the OL “looks better”.

That has been proven time and time again.
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You're the one saying we suck. I said nothing of the kind.

Overreaction much?
We do suck.


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It certainly does. A QB with more awareness can see the defense better, set the protection better, know what's coming and get rid of the ball on time. Russell Okung was run out of town in Denver, with everyone saying he sucked. One year later, he is a Pro Bowler playing with Philip Rivers.
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Bolded is wrong.

What happens when a QB holds onto the ball too long? Penalties happen. Pressure happens. Sacks happen. Chances all that happens when a QB gets the ball gets out on time drops. So the OL “looks better”.

That has been proven time and time again.
Seriously. We watched it for 4 years
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Bolles should be fine. Leary and Veldheer staying healthy the biggest concerns for me. Those 2 at full health greatly improves the OL.
Bolles should be better. When he was bad, he looked lost. A year should make a difference. If the guy can get his head right and not have so many penalties, we will be better!
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Bolles should be fine. Leary and Veldheer staying healthy the biggest concerns for me. Those 2 at full health greatly improves the OL.
Line is about least average if healthy, maybe a little better if McGovern is good and Bolles takes a step up.
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I know how many teams he's been on. That has little to do with being given a chance. Check his numbers, and his record. He outplayed most of the guys who started ahead of him, but Minnesota was the first team to give him a chance. The fact that a UDFA doesn't get a shot should come as no surprise to you.


I'm pretty sure most of the sacks he gave up were his fault, and all of the penalties.

So yeah...he pretty much did suck. That said...most OL rookies do, especially those playing LT. He himself admitted he has to get bigger and stronger to play the position. I expect some improvement, but it remains to be seen how much of course.

Replacing the QB doesn't magically make the line better, contrary to what you've heard in here.
Having a QB who can step up in the pocket, make reads at the LOS, and can move a little around the pocket will help a OL.
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The offense will be infinitely better this year. Probably top 30.
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It certainly does. A QB with more awareness can see the defense better, set the protection better, know what's coming and get rid of the ball on time. Russell Okung was run out of town in Denver, with everyone saying he sucked. One year later, he is a Pro Bowler playing with Philip Rivers.
Nothing you mentioned has anything to do with the performance of the line. The fact that a QB with more awareness sees more, knows what's coming, and gets rid of the ball on time doesn't make a lineman able to block better. It just means the QB is overcoming the same poor line play with experience. You don't mention the run game either. Obviously, a star runner should gain more yards than a mediocre one behind the same blocks, but that doesn't make the blocks better, it just means the back is more adept at making something out of nothing.

The solution is not to find a QB who makes the line better. It's to invest in the line so it IS better, and then whatever QB you put back there has more time, and likely performs better. Okung wasn't in the pro bowl with the Chargers because he played that great. He was a second alternate who replaced Oakland's Donald Penn, but his rise to that level from a poor performance in Denver probably had more to do with him than Rivers, and could have included anything from health to a better system fit, better coaching, a better scheme, or just him training harder...who knows? It's a stretch to simply assign that to Rivers. Okung had been in the pro bowl before, so he had an off year here, then returned at least in part to prior form, but there's no way to know why.
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What happens when a QB holds onto the ball too long? Penalties happen. Pressure happens. Sacks happen. Chances all that happens when a QB gets the ball gets out on time drops. So the OL “looks better”.

That has been proven time and time again.
Eh...please. Do I need to remind you that we've had a revolving door at both tackles the last three years that entirely sucked? Guys like Turnstile and Watson wouldn't be made to look like good players just because the QB could unload the ball faster. You said the OL "looks better"...OK, right...but there's a big difference between looking better and actually BEING better.

How 'bout we just go get a good line, then we don't have to worry about someone making them "look better"?
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Eh...please. Do I need to remind you that we've had a revolving door at both tackles the last three years that entirely sucked? Guys like Turnstile and Watson wouldn't be made to look like good players just because the QB could unload the ball faster. You said the OL "looks better"...OK, right...but there's a big difference between looking better and actually BEING better.

How 'bout we just go get a good line, then we don't have to worry about someone making them "look better"?
Reading your football takes is almost as bad as reading your political takes, seriously, just stop posting for a while, give everyone a break. Thanks.
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Reading your football takes is almost as bad as reading your political takes, seriously, just stop posting for a while, give everyone a break. Thanks.
You make your own decisions about what posts you read, and apparently they include mine.

Now can you explain how a QB makes a lineman block better when he’s getting beat every play? Explain why Elway has been making trades and signing free agents in the O-line trying to improve it if all we needed was better QB play. Seems like a waste of money. Just trot out five stiffs and a Mobile QB who can step up in the pocket instead.
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Im done being optimistic. Every optimistic post is followed by some bozo questioning it.




You’re right. Bolles sucks and Keenum will get his ass handed to him.


4-12.
4-12? That’s pretty optimistic. You must be drunk. Broncos suck. Everyone sucks. They actively try to suck. I come to this message board because I’m a true broncos fan who thinks they suck.

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You make your own decisions about what posts you read, and apparently they include mine.

Now can you explain how a QB makes a lineman block better when he’s getting beat every play? Explain why Elway has been making trades and signing free agents in the O-line trying to improve it if all we needed was better QB play. Seems like a waste of money. Just trot out five stiffs and a Mobile QB who can step up in the pocket instead.
It’s both. A good QB will make any oline better and Peyton Manning is example A if you need proof. That said, a good oline can help make an average QB better because that good oline can give that average QB confidence in the pocket, in other words, that QB won’t get happy feet or leave the pocket early. So, it’s both. If a team can combine the two (good oline, good QB in pocket) then that is a recipe for success, especially with a viable running game.
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