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Old 10-15-2018, 05:51 PM   #101
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I like the LSU coach, he seems to have a good approach to handling players.
You mean Farmer Fran?

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Old 10-15-2018, 09:21 PM   #102
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I wish fans would list guys John would hire not Jim Harbaugh types that aren't coming.
The title of the thread asked who we would like to see as HC, not who who we thought Elway would hire.
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Old 10-15-2018, 09:27 PM   #103
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Of all the names, Clay Helton? Wow.......
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Old 10-15-2018, 09:30 PM   #104
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Still think Dave Toub is an interesting candidate. Would need to have a good OC and DC in place though.
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Of all the names, Clay Helton? Wow.......
I don't know that we should hire him, but we ought to take a good look at him. If you check him out you'll find he checks a lot of boxes that would fit here.

Realistically, we're not getting either another NFL head coach who has already had success, nor are we getting a big name college coach. There are too many impediments to make this job a consideration for those guys. Even apart from our apparently stingy budget, the ownership situation is unsettled, and the role of the GM is unclear, as is his decision making at this point. That would factor into consideration for guys like that.

This leaves two options, an NFL assistant who wants an HC job, or a college guy who looks promising but has a shorter body of work so that he's not yet seen as a hot commodity by the rest of the league. We've already seen that a top assistant turned Elway down, or at least it appears that way. Are we in the driver's seat to compete with other teams hiring assistants as a new HC? I don't think so. This leaves us either settling for a second tier assistant, or looking at the college ranks.

If we do...what should that guy look like?

I think he would need to come from the offensive side of the ball, and he would need to preferably come from a top program where the lights are bright, where he's accustomed to being around college guys with NFL talent, and he'd be a guy who has had an immediate success but still be somewhat under the radar in terms of his potential for the NFL. He'd also need to have some experience either in the NFL or around it, as a guy like Helton has with his dad having coached in the pros. He also coached under Lane Kiffin. He'd need to be an offensive mind, an innovator not a copycat. He's showing that he is, merging elements of both college and pro offenses into the USC playbook and creating a new brand of offense that people are beginning to take note of because of his approach, which also has incorporated a faster pace. He'd need to have shown to be a good judge of NFL talent. The guy most people are saying is the best rookie QB in this class...was recruited by Helton, and Darnold was not seen yet as a future top NFL pick. In fact, the USC defensive coordinator initially thought he should play linebacker. He recognized his talent early though, moving him into the starters position as a redshirt freshman.

In addition to this stuff, he's the right age, 46...not a geezer but not too young, and he's making peanuts compared to guys like Harbaugh, and Helton's first 3 seasons at USC as the permanent head coach have been better than what Harbaugh posted at Michigan and he's been better than David Shaw at Stanford during this time as well.

Last but not least...he's pretty smart. Helton got his degree in mathematics and interdisciplinary science. He probably already knew he was going into coaching, and he could have skated through with a Phys Ed degree or something, so that says something for him that he was studying physics and calculus instead of something less rigorous.
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Still think Dave Toub is an interesting candidate. Would need to have a good OC and DC in place though.
What the ****...so we should hire someone else and acknowledge that he needs a good OC/DC yet we're going to sit here and act like VJ had a good OC/DC?

VJ was brought in for his eye for talent. Look at our past draft.
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Old 10-22-2018, 07:38 PM   #108
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Canít see VJ running a practice this tight with so much knowledge


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Old 10-23-2018, 06:02 AM   #109
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Shanahan gave me 2 superbowls in my lifetime, and was kind of responsible for the other one (Gary Kubiak).
Some fans never get to see one. He gets a lifetime pass from me.

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I'm reading good things about Nick Sirianni, Reich's OC in Indy. And I'm now off the John DeFilippo bandwagon because I don't think he has remotely maximized Cousins in Minnesota.
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I'm reading good things about Nick Sirianni, Reich's OC in Indy. And I'm now off the John DeFilippo bandwagon because I don't think he has remotely maximized Cousins in Minnesota.
The first year OC's working with incumbent Pro Bowl caliber QB's need to be avoided.
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I'm reading good things about Nick Sirianni, Reich's OC in Indy. And I'm now off the John DeFilippo bandwagon because I don't think he has remotely maximized Cousins in Minnesota.


That success is all Andrew Luck.


A healthy Luck is lethal
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That success is all Andrew Luck.


A healthy Luck is lethal
A great QB always make the coaches look good. There are plenty of good OC and systems in the league, but you need someone to execute the plays and makes plays when things break down.

A young QB/rookie needs the right system to be successful early , but to reach the next level you need that QB to earn his win.
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Would Wisenhunt be worth giving another opportunity?
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Old 11-21-2018, 08:26 AM   #115
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Hiring young OC's who do well with elite QB's is risky to do.

Toub or Harbaugh is who i'd hire unless Denver really turned it around.
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Old 11-21-2018, 08:51 AM   #116
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You guys are funny. "Hire OC's who failed with bad QB's, not ones who succeeded with good ones!" Lol. I'm not saying you hire the guy based on results alone. But they're guys you bring in and talk to.
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Toub or Harbaugh is who i'd hire unless Denver really turned it around.
Maybe. But right now the trend is offense. And unless one of those guys is going to bring in a bright, younger offensive mind to run the offense I'm not remotely interested.
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You guys are funny. "Hire OC's who failed with bad QB's, not ones who succeeded with good ones!" Lol. I'm not saying you hire the guy based on results alone. But they're guys you bring in and talk to.


Sure. Have to do your homework


Donít do it the narrow minded way like Elway does and hire the guy you wanted for HC and DC multiple years before, while shutting out any open thought on other candidates
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That success is all Andrew Luck.


A healthy Luck is lethal
It's hard to say how much is Reich v. the OC as well. The Philly offense sure as hell looks different without him.
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It's hard to say how much is Reich v. the OC as well. The Philly offense sure as hell looks different without him.
Yup, that's always a consideration. But a good, recent example is Nagy under Reid in KC. Reid has always called the offensive shots wherever he's been. But, as you can see, Nagy is doing a fantastic job in Chicago.
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Sure. Have to do your homework


Donít do it the narrow minded way like Elway does and hire the guy you wanted for HC and DC multiple years before, while shutting out any open thought on other candidates
Good point. Elway was locked on VJ for years for some reason. Didn't seem like he took in the changing dynamics of the league's coaching situations at all.
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Maybe. But right now the trend is offense. And unless one of those guys is going to bring in a bright, younger offensive mind to run the offense I'm not remotely interested.
So you wouldn't take Harbaugh/Kubiak?
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So you wouldn't take Harbaugh/Kubiak?
Definitely. I'm just not sure that's 100% the way we should go. The league and the game have changed. Are Harbaugh and Kubiak able to keep up at this point? I think they're both very good. I'm just not sure if either of them are great. The Ravens offense has been in quicksand for a while now. Yeah, part of it is the QB. But how much blame is Harbaugh's?
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Definitely. I'm just not sure that's 100% the way we should go. The league and the game have changed. Are Harbaugh and Kubiak able to keep up at this point? I think they're both very good. I'm just not sure if either of them are great. The Ravens offense has been in quicksand for a while now. Yeah, part of it is the QB. But how much blame is Harbaugh's?
Nobody's going to bring Harbaugh in to resurrect an offense. But Flacco had a career year when Kubes was there. Kind of a pattern with him in my mind.

I don't think Kubes is the hottest OC on the planet or anything, but if you want to try to make something functional out of something like a Case Keenum offense, I really don't see how we're going to attract any better.
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I don't know that we should hire him, but we ought to take a good look at him. If you check him out you'll find he checks a lot of boxes that would fit here.

Realistically, we're not getting either another NFL head coach who has already had success, nor are we getting a big name college coach. There are too many impediments to make this job a consideration for those guys. Even apart from our apparently stingy budget, the ownership situation is unsettled, and the role of the GM is unclear, as is his decision making at this point. That would factor into consideration for guys like that.

This leaves two options, an NFL assistant who wants an HC job, or a college guy who looks promising but has a shorter body of work so that he's not yet seen as a hot commodity by the rest of the league. We've already seen that a top assistant turned Elway down, or at least it appears that way. Are we in the driver's seat to compete with other teams hiring assistants as a new HC? I don't think so. This leaves us either settling for a second tier assistant, or looking at the college ranks.

If we do...what should that guy look like?

I think he would need to come from the offensive side of the ball, and he would need to preferably come from a top program where the lights are bright, where he's accustomed to being around college guys with NFL talent, and he'd be a guy who has had an immediate success but still be somewhat under the radar in terms of his potential for the NFL. He'd also need to have some experience either in the NFL or around it, as a guy like Helton has with his dad having coached in the pros. He also coached under Lane Kiffin. He'd need to be an offensive mind, an innovator not a copycat. He's showing that he is, merging elements of both college and pro offenses into the USC playbook and creating a new brand of offense that people are beginning to take note of because of his approach, which also has incorporated a faster pace. He'd need to have shown to be a good judge of NFL talent. The guy most people are saying is the best rookie QB in this class...was recruited by Helton, and Darnold was not seen yet as a future top NFL pick. In fact, the USC defensive coordinator initially thought he should play linebacker. He recognized his talent early though, moving him into the starters position as a redshirt freshman.

In addition to this stuff, he's the right age, 46...not a geezer but not too young, and he's making peanuts compared to guys like Harbaugh, and Helton's first 3 seasons at USC as the permanent head coach have been better than what Harbaugh posted at Michigan and he's been better than David Shaw at Stanford during this time as well.

Last but not least...he's pretty smart. Helton got his degree in mathematics and interdisciplinary science. He probably already knew he was going into coaching, and he could have skated through with a Phys Ed degree or something, so that says something for him that he was studying physics and calculus instead of something less rigorous.
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