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Old 02-12-2019, 12:55 PM   #101
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Old 02-12-2019, 01:27 PM   #102
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Looks like Brooks has been reading Goldberg.

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/02/11/o...-new-deal.html

How the Left Embraced Elitism

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The authors liken their plan to the New Deal, but the real parallel is to World War II. It is the state mobilizing as many of society’s resources as possible to wage a war on global warming and other ills. The document is notably coy about how all this would be implemented. Exactly which agency would inspect and oversee the renovation of every building in America? Exactly which agency would hire every worker?

But the underlying faith of the Green New Deal is a faith in the guiding wisdom of the political elite. The authors of the Green New Deal assume that technocratic planners can master the movements of 328 million Americans and design a transportation system so that “air travel stops becoming necessary.” (This is from people who couldn’t even organize the successful release of their own background document.)

They assume that congressional leaders have the ability to direct what in effect would be gigantic energy firms and gigantic investment houses without giving sweetheart deals to vested interests, without getting corrupted by this newfound power, without letting the whole thing get swallowed up by incompetence. (This is a Congress that can’t pass a budget.)

If this were ever put into practice, there would have to be several new Pentagons built to house the hundreds of thousands of new social planners. The elite universities would have to be transformed into technocratic academies in which the children of the rich were trained so they could be dirigistes for the state.

The authors of this fantasy are right that we need to do something about global warming and inequality. But simple attempts to realign incentives, like the carbon tax, would be more effective and more realistic than government efforts to reorganize vast industries.

In an alienated America, efforts to decentralize power are more effective and realistic than efforts to concentrate it in the Washington elite. The great paradox of progressive populism is that it leads to elitism in its purist form.
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Old 02-12-2019, 02:31 PM   #103
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AOC agrees with your method and you should tweet it out asap without thinking.
Republican response: Climate change is a Chinese hoax. We still got coal, baby! **** our grandchildren! Burn that coal! Make some money!
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Old 02-12-2019, 02:37 PM   #104
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Republican response: Climate change is a Chinese hoax. We still got coal, baby! **** our grandchildren! Burn that coal! Make some money!
lol... yep you got nothing..
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Old 02-12-2019, 02:42 PM   #105
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Old 02-12-2019, 02:43 PM   #106
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lol... yep you got nothing..
This is one of those "Right track/Wrong track" kind of things. You and your fellow Trumpsters are on the wrong track. AOC (even with all her flailing around) is on the right track. Climate change is real. It's an extinction event. Like David Attenborough said, we are the last generation with the choice to do something about it. Who you gonna believe, David Attenborough, or Donald Trump?
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I guess that means you'll refuse your Medicare coverage when the time comes.
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This is one of those "Right track/Wrong track" kind of things. You and your fellow Trumpsters are on the wrong track. AOC (even with all her flailing around) is on the right track. Climate change is real. It's an extinction event. Like David Attenborough said, we are the last generation with the choice to do something about it. Who you gonna believe, David Attenborough, or Donald Trump?
It can allllllllll be turned around in exactly 12 years ... amirite!!!
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It can allllllllll be turned around in exactly 12 years ... amirite!!!
This is the interesting phenomenon regarding the Trump 30%: They deliberately choose to be misinformed, as if there was some safety in not dealing with reality. They are a denial movement.

The point being made is this: The CHOICES we make now... etc.

What the Right wants us to do is make those choices based on money and short term profit (even though, oddly enough, the average Trumpster will certainly not benefit from protecting profits for the richest). Wrong track. The choice is survival. Like I said before, if the choices we make now lead to extinction, the vaults in all those Cayman Island banks will still be full of gold long into the future, even after the seas rise up and cover them.
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As if the planet gives a **** about political ideology.

We're ****ing with the planet, and we're getting ****ed right back.

Bronx33 can offer nothing constructive, because the problem is far beyond is ability to comprehend, much less understand.
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Religious fanatics following their prophets and corporations following their profits are likely going to make a food chain die-off Apocalypse happen. Then no Jesus, or Muhammad, or Buddha, or Vault filled with gold will feed them.

Meanwhile the earth will recover in a few million years and the whole thing will reinstall & reboot minus the human infection.

Or maybe some Swedish survive with their Noah's Ark bunker?

Have a happy V-day fellow viruses...
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A carbon tax could help if done intelligently and wisely. Or it could become a part of the problem if the bankers get control of it.

Next thing you know, there will be carbon futures -- and Goldman will bet against human survival. That will give a perverse twist to the futures market.
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FYI...The US leads the world in reducing carbon emissions. More needs to be done, but you can't curb global warming unless the whole world follows the trend in reduction. Unfortunately, there are many nations that are increasing their emissions at an astronomical rate and negating any improvements we make in the US.

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Rather than actually discuss any of the important ideas in the GND, the Republicans have decided to mischaracterize it, use it as a political tool, and completely abrogate their responsibility to actually deal with AGW. Same old ****.
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FYI...The US leads the world in reducing carbon emissions.
Partly because of fracking, partly because of the economic slowdown, and partly because of globalization, as what would have been our CO2 emissions are now coming from China.

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More needs to be done, but you can't curb global warming unless the whole world follows the trend in reduction. Unfortunately, there are many nations that are increasing their emissions at an astronomical rate and negating any improvements we make in the US.
No trend in reduction, globally. In fact, the annual rate of CO2 increase is itself increasing:



Black horizontal lines are decadal averages.
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Rather than actually discuss any of the important ideas in the GND, the Republicans have decided to mischaracterize it, use it as a political tool, and completely abrogate their responsibility to actually deal with AGW. Same old ****.
Yeah, we should've all known that the Republicans would tear it down, but in this case the people that put the GND together handed them good reason after good reason as to why it should be torn down on a silver platter. No Nuclear? WTF. Providing for people unwilling to work? WTF.
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Yeah, we should've all known that the Republicans would tear it down, but in this case the people that put the GND together handed them good reason after good reason as to why it should be torn down on a silver platter. No Nuclear? WTF. Providing for people unwilling to work? WTF.
Some people can't figure out the difference between a resolution and a bill.
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Yeah, we should've all known that the Republicans would tear it down, but in this case the people that put the GND together handed them good reason after good reason as to why it should be torn down on a silver platter. No Nuclear? WTF. Providing for people unwilling to work? WTF.
Nuclear power is anything but green energy.
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Nuclear power is anything but green energy.
Zero emission. Throttles to demand. No massive banks of heavy metal batteries.

Meanwhile you want to turn one of the heaviest usages of energy (transportation) over to the grid with no earthly idea how to generate that much power.
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Zero emission. Throttles to demand. No massive banks of heavy metal batteries.

Meanwhile you want to turn one of the heaviest usages of energy (transportation) over to the grid with no earthly idea how to generate that much power.
I'm not against nuclear. I've been keeping my eye on some promising new designs. That said, lithium can be recycled and nuclear waste cannot.
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Zero emission. Throttles to demand. No massive banks of heavy metal batteries.

Meanwhile you want to turn one of the heaviest usages of energy (transportation) over to the grid with no earthly idea how to generate that much power.
Zero emissions?? WTF do you consider the waste product? Not an “emission”?
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Nuclear power is anything but green energy.
The goal is to reduce carbon output. Nuclear would do that. It is foolish to exclude Nuclear. Check out molten salt reactors and thorium.

There should be an investment into Fusion as well.
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Some people can't figure out the difference between a resolution and a bill.
It doesn't matter if she wrote the damn thing on a napkin, it was still stupid because of what I mentioned. There's no getting around that
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Some people can't figure out the difference between a resolution and a bill.
Coincidentally, those are the same people who always seem to find themselves on the wrong side of history...

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Consider the following:

Reuters poll: 70 percent support Medicare for all, including 52 percent of Republicans.

Fox News poll: 70 percent support raising taxes on those making over $10 million a year.

Bloomberg poll: 62 percent support tuition-free college.

Kaiser Foundation poll: 92 percent support having Medicare negotiate with drug companies to lower drug prices.

Hart poll: 63 percent support $15 minimum wage.

Yale/George Mason poll: 81 percent support the Green New Deal plan.

There is a wide gulf between the political center and the moral center.

https://www.commondreams.org/views/2...hZODqJW0uVleJM
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Now the dems don't want to go on record/vote and support this socialist green deal and show who they really are.
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