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Old 01-08-2019, 07:57 PM   #151
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Old 01-08-2019, 08:11 PM   #152
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Old 01-08-2019, 10:46 PM   #153
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Self driving cars actually capable of dealing with everything a human can deal with and capable of completely replacing most driving are a long, long way off. It will take near true AI to accomplish.

Self driving cars that can be better than most drivers in many common conditions and usable for select routine travel are not too far off.
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Old 01-08-2019, 10:59 PM   #154
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It now goes against physics and logic to do whatever is necessary to save human civilization? You're special Beavis...
We're both going to die Ag. Very soon in the grand scheme of things. Everyone you know will die. Everyone they know will die.

Nothing about how badly you want or need to prevent it will actually prevent it. We're forced to deal with the reality we're given. And that reality is a carbon-emitting existence. You can try to improve here and there. But snake oil sales won't help. It only prevents people from looking at real problems and feasible solutions or mitigations.
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Old 01-08-2019, 11:04 PM   #155
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I think we're very near to autonomous AVs being about as safe as the average driver.

And getting better, daily.
Lolz, no. Reminds me of Amara's Law. Some driver assisting tech will be feasible. Cars driving themselves around with no onboard guidance is several decades away at the very least.
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Old 01-08-2019, 11:11 PM   #156
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Lolz, no. Reminds me of Amara's Law. Some driver assisting tech will be feasible. Cars driving themselves around with no onboard guidance is several decades away at the very least.
You're behind the curve on this Beav. I agree with W*GS. 10 years from now, autonomous driving systems will be much safer than human drivers.

Do some reading and catch up.
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Old 01-08-2019, 11:13 PM   #157
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You're behind the curve on this Beav. I agree with W*GS. 10 years from now, autonomous driving systems will be much safer than human drivers.

Do some reading and catch up.
Two decades tops and that’s only due to the govt. regulation that will have to be dealt with.

Seriously Beav, where I live this stuff is right around the corner.
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You're behind the curve on this Beav. I agree with W*GS. 10 years from now, autonomous driving systems will be much safer than human drivers.

Do some reading and catch up.
People generally vastly overrate the current state of AI.

https://www.theverge.com/2018/7/3/17...ymo-tesla-uber

It can be good when purpose built for something very specific and narrow.

Driving in the real world is anything but.
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People generally vastly overrate the current state of AI.

https://www.theverge.com/2018/7/3/17...ymo-tesla-uber

It can be good when purpose built for something very specific and narrow.

Driving in the real world is anything but.
10-20 years tops. Remember it only has to be better than humans not perfect for adoption. People already make way more mistakes of judgement than AI does. AI never texts while driving for starters.
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Lolz, no. Reminds me of Amara's Law. Some driver assisting tech will be feasible. Cars driving themselves around with no onboard guidance is several decades away at the very least.
Not at all. They're much closer than you realize and when they hit, they're going to hit like iPhones did. From zero to everybody's using driverless Ubers because they're fun and make so much sense.
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Not at all. They're much closer than you realize and when they hit, they're going to hit like iPhones did. From zero to everybody's using driverless Ubers because they're fun and make so much sense.
Yep it’ll be a standard item on cars. I bet insurance companies will offer incentives too to use the autonomous features.
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People generally vastly overrate the current state of AI.

https://www.theverge.com/2018/7/3/17...ymo-tesla-uber

It can be good when purpose built for something very specific and narrow.

Driving in the real world is anything but.

I agree with this article. The writer is arguing that it's years, not month from now, that autonomous driving systems will be generally safer than human drivers. I agree. Those who insist that true level 4 autonomy is just months away are smoking the good stuff.
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Old 01-09-2019, 01:24 AM   #163
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Dude the whole thing is in its infancy. Think about it, we put people on the moon with that technology in the 60s.

Everything you are concerned about will be addressed.
Until they solve the hacker issue it doesn’t matter. Every issue I mentioned takes a backs seat to that one. It’s a total deal breaker.

https://www.technologyreview.com/s/6...ving-vehicles/
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I agree with this article. The writer is arguing that it's years, not month from now, that autonomous driving systems will be generally safer than human drivers. I agree. Those who insist that true level 4 autonomy is just months away are smoking the good stuff.
And even then, even if and when they solve all the logistical issues, the reality remains that, by removing the driver from the equation, companies take on the liability for accidents directly. Imagine the first time a self-driving school bus crashes or a fuel tanker runs off the road into an office building. The issue of company liability is another deal breaker.
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Old 01-09-2019, 01:33 AM   #165
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And even then, even if and when they solve all the logistical issues, the reality remains that, by removing the driver from the equation, companies take on the liability for accidents directly. Imagine the first time a self-driving school bus crashes or a fuel tanker runs off the road into an office building. The issue of company liability is another deal breaker.
Certainly a motivation for making these systems as flawless as possible.
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Certainly a motivation for making these systems as flawless as possible.
There is no such thing as a flawless computer system.
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There is no such thing as a flawless computer system.
Well I expect States to regulate what can legally hit the streets and what can't (and under what circumstances). These systems can be tested, no?
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Look into self healing AI. It's going to take away a lot of IT jobs in the future.
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Also AOC is backed by plenty of top economists on her fiscal policy:

http://time.com/money/5496760/ocasio...rce=reddit.com
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Look into self healing AI. It's going to take away a lot of IT jobs in the future.
Funny thing is, if you asked me to predict, it would've been Krugman and Reich 1 and 2 without any hesitation.

Krugman's right about as often as your average broken clock. Although maybe a 24-hour one.

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Funny thing is, if you asked me to predict, it would've been Krugman and Reich 1 and 2 without any hesitation.

Krugman's right about as often as your average broken clock. Although maybe a 24-hour one.



- Paul Krugman, 1998.
I mean just ignore all the others I guess.

Krugman is what he is.
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I read this awhile back. Good read on people's impressions of AI vs the reality, both positive and negative.

https://www.technologyreview.com/s/6...i-predictions/

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This is a problem we all have with imagined future technology. If it is far enough away from the technology we have and understand today, then we do not know its limitations. And if it becomes indistinguishable from magic, anything one says about it is no longer falsifiable.

This is a problem I regularly encounter when trying to debate with people about whether we should fear artificial general intelligence, or AGI—the idea that we will build autonomous agents that operate much like beings in the world. I am told that I do not understand how powerful AGI will be. That is not an argument. We have no idea whether it can even exist. I would like it to exist—this has always been my own motivation for working in robotics and AI. But modern-day AGI research is not doing well at all on either being general or supporting an independent entity with an ongoing existence. It mostly seems stuck on the same issues in reasoning and common sense that AI has had problems with for at least 50 years. All the evidence that I see says we have no real idea yet how to build one. Its properties are completely unknown, so rhetorically it quickly becomes magical, powerful without limit.

Nothing in the universe is without limit.

Watch out for arguments about future technology that is magical. Such an argument can never be refuted. It is a faith-based argument, not a scientific argument.
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I mean just ignore all the others I guess.

Krugman is what he is.
We all have a line up of hacks that will tell us our favorite politicians are always right about everything.

These guys are no different.

So go on believing that mandated high middle-class wages, free college and fuel-free air travel are just a House floor vote away. You'll always have clowns around to tell you it's so.
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I read this awhile back. Good read on people's impressions of AI vs the reality, both positive and negative.

https://www.technologyreview.com/s/6...i-predictions/
https://www.nextgov.com/ideas/2018/0...ealing/146796/

https://www.grokstream.com/

It's already here, it will only become more wide spread with time.
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