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Old 01-08-2019, 03:54 PM   #101
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a woman who was bartending until very recently.
You can't simultaneously play this card and then defend her idiotic "ideas" in the same thread.

We need serious people with serious ideas about how to improve. There are no magical solutions

I mean I'd tolerate some hyperbole from a scientist who told us we were on the brink of a fusion revolution or something.

But people believing we can be zero emissions by 2030 because a bartender told them so? Yeah, the world's better off without.
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It was an incorrect statement. Now get back to me when you start applying this level of fact-checking to the endless bull**** that comes out of the White House. In case you aren't aware that's a little more important than what a solitary congresswoman is saying.
Please this isn't about the WH its about this dim wit telling lies to the American people now answer this.


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Is this statement dangerous? yes or no
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Old 01-08-2019, 04:02 PM   #103
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Please this isn't about the WH its about this dim wit telling lies to the American people now answer this.





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Is it dangerous? Jesus, you Trumpkins are ****ing retarded...

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Is it dangerous? Jesus, you Trumpkins are ****ing retarded...

Ok when a person says the facts don't matter and just so your on the side of morality the facts don't matter doesn't register on your radar? you're being dumb or disingenuous calling me names doesn't change that fact just so you know.


Now you have a chance to make things right is it a dangerous statement to be putting out there to the American people? yes or no?
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We need more like her.
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Why would that even matter? You've stated that something is impossible when it categorically isn't. Just admit you overstated the matter, and that you actually meant improbable or impractical. That's all you need to do Beavis.
You're shifting a lot of straw goal posts around to arrive here.

I said carbon neutrality by 2030 was impossible. You've done nothing to even address that point.

You turned it into whether we could replace every vehicle. Which in anything resembling our existing economy, we can't. We'd actually have to significantly outproduce ourselves in WWII to have a chance. We don't have that manufacturing base anymore. Or the impetus to completely take over the economy in that way. In practical reality... impossible.

But that's mostly irrelevant anyway. Because it still wouldn't deliver anything resembling "carbon neutral." With the side effects of an effort that would produce an unprecedented carbon footprint all its own.
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You can't simultaneously play this card and then defend her idiotic "ideas" in the same thread.

We need serious people with serious ideas about how to improve. There are no magical solutions

I mean I'd tolerate some hyperbole from a scientist who told us we were on the brink of a fusion revolution or something.

But people believing we can be zero emissions by 2030 because a bartender told them so? Yeah, the world's better off without.
Sigh. It was clear she was talking more about setting goals than saying it would happen. And it was clear she was talking about emissions from automobiles, not all emissions. You're being ridiculous, as always. Anyway, I still find it hilarious that you right wing dip****s are paying so much attention to this woman. I like her attitude and her values, but she's clearly as green as fresh cut grass and has no business setting national policy. She needs to learn and grow as a legislator first. That said, who else is revealing stuff like this about the inner workings of the corporate sellout that is D.C.:



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Ok when a person says the facts don't matter and just so your on the side of morality the facts don't matter doesn't register on your radar?
It's basically religion when you think about it.

Ag's replaced God with a clueless 29-year old bartender from the Bronx.
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Its a recipe for tyranny which is what progressivism is.
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You're shifting a lot of straw goal posts around to arrive here.

I said carbon neutrality by 2030 was impossible. You've done nothing to even address that point.

You turned it into whether we could replace every vehicle. Which in anything resembling our existing economy, we can't. We'd actually have to significantly outproduce ourselves in WWII to have a chance. We don't have that manufacturing base anymore. Or the impetus to completely take over the economy in that way. In practical reality... impossible.

But that's mostly irrelevant anyway. Because it still wouldn't deliver anything resembling "carbon neutral." With the side effects of an effort that would produce an unprecedented carbon footprint all its own.
As I recall, Anderson Cooper was the one who said "zero carbon emissions". Her mistake was not correcting him on that point. Anyway, it's clear that you are set on nitpicking everything she says in attempt to marginalize what she represents: a move back towards the FDR model of doing things. Have fun with that. You're just a tool for the wealthy, and you don't even know it.
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It's basically religion when you think about it.

Ag's replaced God with a clueless 29-year old bartender from the Bronx.


Standing up for her a bit now equates worship? I don't even see her as a particularly important political figure at this time, and I don't think she's qualified to set national policy at all. At least not yet. She actually just seems to be the designated target of you right wing chods because of her lack of experience and savvy in political matters.
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As I recall, Anderson Cooper was the one who said "zero carbon emissions". Her mistake was not correcting him on that point. Anyway, it's clear that you are set on nitpicking everything she says in attempt to marginalize what she represents: a move back towards the FDR model of doing things. Have fun with that. You're just a tool for the wealthy, and you don't even know it.
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Its a recipe for tyranny which is what progressivism is.
Says the guy who avidly supports an actual wannabe tyrant.
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Cars sit idle 90% of the day. When they nail autonomous driving those cars can be hired out to ferry people elsewhere, get your groceries etc.

We actually have more cars than we need right now.
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The sad part is she appeals to her generation doesn't care or doesn't know and wont know that shes wrong and wont hear the news broadcast saying shes wrong ( cause there isn't one) and all they hear is she wants good things for more people.


That's beyond dangerous and any sane person with can see this and if you ask me the fact shes not being called out for this more is flat sad whats even sadder is she gets to pump out this BS on national tv shows with nobody questioning her comments.
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Standing up for her a bit now equates worship? I don't even see her as a particularly important political figure at this time, and I don't think she's qualified to set national policy at all. At least not yet. She actually just seems to be the designated target of you right wing chods because of her lack of experience and savvy in political matters.
No, your setting aside logic and reason in the name of morality is where your religion begins.

The world is as it is, regardless of any perceived moral imperative to hope otherwise.
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The sad part is she appeals to her generation doesn't care or doesn't know and wont know that shes wrong and wont hear the news broadcast saying shes wrong ( cause there isn't one) and all they hear is she wants good things for more people.


That's beyond dangerous and any sane person with can see this and if you ask me the fact shes not being called out for this more is flat sad whats even sadder is she gets to pump out this BS on national tv shows with nobody questioning her comments.
You aren't a sane person Trumpkin.
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As I recall, Anderson Cooper was the one who said "zero carbon emissions". Her mistake was not correcting him on that point. Anyway, it's clear that you are set on nitpicking everything she says in attempt to marginalize what she represents: a move back towards the FDR model of doing things. Have fun with that. You're just a tool for the wealthy, and you don't even know it.
He said it because that's what they're proposing.

But it's fun to watch you resort to the "Fake News" angle as quickly as required.
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No, your setting aside logic and reason in the name of morality is where your religion begins.

The world is as it is, regardless of any perceived moral imperative to hope otherwise.
When did I say anything about morality? We either start taking extreme measures to fix the climate or human civilization is toast. Does it have to conform to Ocasio-Cortez's ideas? No, but it's going to need to be extreme to work, because we are quickly approaching the point of no return. That's the world as it is, and you people who believe in a magic man in the sky are the ones living in denial.
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He said it because that's what they're proposing.

But it's fun to watch you resort to the "Fake News" angle as quickly as required.
Did she actually say zero emissions? I only saw clips of the interview, so I honestly don't know.
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When did I say anything about morality? We either start taking extreme measures to fix the climate or human civilization is toast. Does it have to conform to Ocasio-Cortez's ideas? No, but it's going to need to be extreme to work, because we are quickly approaching the point of no return. That's the world as it is, and you people who believe in a magic man in the sky are the ones living in denial.
Your girl says being "morally right" trumps (heh) factual accuracy (or apparently anything resembling it)

You seem to be backing up that assertion fairly enthusiastically. Or are you finally going to admit she needs to step back and reevaluate her approach?
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You aren't a sane person Trumpkin.
Sooooooo you lost the debate and avoided answering the simple question I asked and resorted to name calling you're exactly what people think you are.
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Did she actually say zero emissions? I only saw clips of the interview, so I honestly don't know.
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/alexand...pt-2019-01-06/

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For Ocasio-Cortez, it was an early lesson in congressional politics. And another one came when she defied Pelosi and voted against the speaker's new House rules, but was not joined by many other progressive Democrats. Ocasio-Cortez told us she's determined to keep fighting for what's being called a "Green New Deal" — a highly ambitious, some would say "unrealistic," proposal that would convert the entire U.S. Economy to renewable sources of energy in just 12 years, while guaranteeing every American a job at a fair wage.

Anderson Cooper: You're talking about zero carbon emissions— no use of fossil fuels within 12 years.

Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez: That is the goal. It's ambitious. And...

Anderson Cooper: How is that possible? Are you talking about everybody having to drive an electric car?

Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez: It's going to require a lot of rapid change that we don't even conceive as possible right now. What is the problem with trying to push our technological capacities to the furthest extent possible?
Such a child. How she gets this kind of air time? I don't know. Does speak to how broken our media truly is.
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Sooooooo you lost the debate and avoided answering the simple question I asked and resorted to name calling you're exactly what people think you are.
I answered your question, and I definitely didn't lose the "debate" if that's what you want to call it.

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