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Old 01-08-2019, 02:38 PM   #76
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I can only assume that all this Ocasio Cortez hype is because with Clinton out of the spotlight the right needs a new boogie-woman to raise fear. I assumed it would be Pelosi but that would mean talking about Trump's shutdown and failures so now they've latched onto the junior congresswoman from an ultra liberal district and will do everything they can to paint her as a mainstream democrat. They'll probably succeed too given how bad the democrats are dealing with this tactic.
Largely cause establishment democrats didn’t want her. I’m pretty sure they’re hoping she’s going to be one and done.
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Largely cause establishment democrats didn’t want her. I’m pretty sure they’re hoping she’s going to be one and done.
Nobody wants a buffoon representing their party. Yet here we are...
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I can only assume that all this Ocasio Cortez hype is because with Clinton out of the spotlight the right needs a new boogie-woman to raise fear. I assumed it would be Pelosi but that would mean talking about Trump's shutdown and failures so now they've latched onto the junior congresswoman from an ultra liberal district and will do everything they can to paint her as a mainstream democrat. They'll probably succeed too given how bad the democrats are dealing with this tactic.
How many other freshmen Congress members do you see getting substantial 60 Minutes features?

Many on the left are hyping her because she got elected selling a much more leftist (socialist) vision than the party's previously been comfortable with.

You can't have it both ways.
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Show me the path to replacing virtually every vehicle on the planet in a decade and maintaining that fleet of vehicles without carbon emissions. Flesh that out for me.

It's widely understood that half or more of your average vehicle's carbon footprint is in its simple manufacture. And that, for that reason, replacing well-functioning ICE cars prematurely in the name of greenhouse emissions actually does more harm than good.

We simply don't have the industrial capacity, even if it were productive, to do something like replace every vehicle over a decade. And if we did, the gear-up for that undertaking would itself wreak all sorts of environmental havoc.

And then there are all the other countless uses of fossil fuels everywhere. Anyone who truly thinks humanity will be "zero emission" in any of our lifetimes is as uneducated as they come.

Absolutely clueless. Palinesque, even. Putting it charitably.
You don't really see the issue as an existential threat to human civilization do you?
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You don't really see the issue as an existential threat to human civilization do you?
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I can only assume that all this Ocasio Cortez hype is because with Clinton out of the spotlight the right needs a new boogie-woman to raise fear. I assumed it would be Pelosi but that would mean talking about Trump's shutdown and failures so now they've latched onto the junior congresswoman from an ultra liberal district and will do everything they can to paint her as a mainstream democrat. They'll probably succeed too given how bad the democrats are dealing with this tactic.
It'll only work if they can take advantage of the stupidity of American voters with takes like "a top marginal tax rate of 70% means anyone who makes decent money will be paying 70% on all their income". She's definitely misspoke and made lots of rookie mistakes, but her actual positions and beliefs resonate very well with most Americans. It's all about propaganda for the corporate oligarchy, as always. They are masters at getting people to vote against their own best interests.
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You don't really see the issue as an existential threat to human civilization do you?
Reasoning isn't altered based on the relative seriousness of the subject matter.

The truth is still the truth no matter how badly we wish and hope it weren't. Mankind has never been 'carbon neutral.' And doesn't have much hope of becoming so for quite some time.

And kneejerk idiots coming up with plans like scrapping all the world's vehicles to 'reduce' carbon emissions because "doing something is really important" is just about everything wrong with modern politics in a nutshell.
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Show me the path to replacing virtually every vehicle on the planet in a decade and maintaining that fleet of vehicles without carbon emissions. Flesh that out for me.

It's widely understood that half or more of your average vehicle's carbon footprint is in its simple manufacture. And that, for that reason, replacing well-functioning ICE cars prematurely in the name of greenhouse emissions actually does more harm than good.

We simply don't have the industrial capacity, even if it were productive, to do something like replace every vehicle over a decade. And if we did, the gear-up for that undertaking would itself wreak all sorts of environmental havoc.

And then there are all the other countless uses of fossil fuels everywhere. Anyone who truly thinks humanity will be "zero emission" in any of our lifetimes is as uneducated as they come.

Absolutely clueless. Palinesque, even. Putting it charitably.
We don't need to replace every vehicle. I expect there will be a market for EV conversions in time. Also, we have in-wheel motor technology that may be able to convert any regular car into a 4WD hybrid.

https://insideevs.com/new-ring-drive...-breakthrough/

Expensive for now. 10 years from not probably not so much. And gov't subsidies might help this tech succeed.
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Reasoning isn't altered based on the relative seriousness of the subject matter.

The truth is still the truth no matter how badly we wish and hope it weren't. Mankind has never been 'carbon neutral.' And doesn't have much hope of becoming so for quite some time.

And kneejerk idiots coming up with plans like scrapping all the world's vehicles to 'reduce' carbon emissions because "doing something is really important" is just about everything wrong with modern politics in a nutshell.
The truth is that if the human species actually realized what's coming they'd be 100% behind what she's proposing. I agree it's impossible without a population totally behind it, but that's more about the population than Ocasio-Cortez.
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We don't need to replace every vehicle. I expect there will be a market for EV conversions in time. Also, we have in-wheel motor technology that may be able to convert any regular car into a 4WD hybrid.

https://insideevs.com/new-ring-drive...-breakthrough/

Expensive for now. 10 years from not probably not so much. And gov't subsidies might help this tech succeed.
You don't get to carbon neutral in 10 years hoping about some future tech that might be there 10 years down the road. That tech had to be available yesterday to have any hope of anything resembling widespread (let alone universal) deployment by 2030.

Not even getting into the ignored fact that electric vehicles are not "zero emission"

They still get their energy from somewhere. And the absolute explosion in electrical production that would be required would very necessarily require a lot of fossil fuels. In fact, we'd have to expand coal and gas electricity production pretty aggressively to have any prayer of meeting the energy demands of all-electric transportation.

All things beyond the thought process of the Congresswoman that might as well believe Santa Claus will deliver everything required.
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The truth is that if the human species actually realized what's coming they'd be 100% behind what she's proposing. I agree it's impossible without a population totally behind it, but that's more about the population than Ocasio-Cortez.
It's impossible. Full stop. Everyone's behind Santa Claus as well. Doesn't mean he actually brings you presents on Christmas Eve.

Nothing is gained when idiots sell baldly fraudulent goods to the public. No matter how gullible they might be.
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This is just hilarious coming from a Trump supporter. At least she admits when she misstated something. Trump just keeps rolling along with his alternate facts, and you monkeys lap it up.
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Economic considerations alone will remove most ICE vehicles from the road post-haste.
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It's impossible. Full stop. Everyone's behind Santa Claus as well. Doesn't mean he actually brings you presents on Christmas Eve.

Nothing is gained when idiots sell baldly fraudulent goods to the public. No matter how gullible they might be.
Are you actually saying it's physically impossible for the US to convert fully to electric cars in 12 years? Look at what this country did during World War 2. As always, you're full of nonsense.
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$21 TRILLION of Pentagon financial transactions “could not be traced, documented, or explained.”

$21T in Pentagon accounting errors. Medicare for All costs ~$32T.

That means 66% of Medicare for All could have been funded already by the Pentagon.

And that’s before our premiums.


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Can anybody point out her mistake? but hey just as long as shes morally right LMAO!
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Are you actually saying it's physically impossible for the US to convert fully to electric cars in 12 years? Look at what this country did during World War 2. As always, you're full of nonsense.
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$21 TRILLION of Pentagon financial transactions “could not be traced, documented, or explained.”

$21T in Pentagon accounting errors. Medicare for All costs ~$32T.

That means 66% of Medicare for All could have been funded already by the Pentagon.

And that’s before our premiums.


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Can anybody point out her mistake? but hey just as long as shes morally right LMAO!
If only you applied this type of critical thinking to Trump's lies.
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Are you actually saying it's physically impossible for the US to convert fully to electric cars in 12 years? Look at what this country did during World War 2. As always, you're full of nonsense.
Not what she promised. I suppose it's physically possible, given a herculean WWII style factory build out and production effort to have (nearly) all electric cars by then.

But both that process and the end product would still be anything but 'carbon neutral'

In reality it would likely do far more harm than good.
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Perfect example. Beavis is full of ****, as always.
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If only you applied this type of critical thinking to Trump's lies.
Stay on topic ok whats wrong with her statement on national tv?
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Not what she promised. I suppose it's physically possible, given a herculean WWII style factory build out and production effort to have (nearly) all electric cars by then.

But both that process and the end product would still be anything but 'carbon neutral'

In reality it would likely do far more harm than good.
No, it wouldn't. Not even close. You love to make blanked statements without backing them up with any substance, and yet expect complete precision of language from a woman who was bartending until very recently. You're an absurd little creature.

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Perfect example. Beavis is full of ****, as always.
Oooh, a picture.

Slowcasio style reasoning on display

How many cars do you figure existed in just the US in 1913? Any idea?
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Stay on topic ok whats wrong with her statement on national tv?
It was an incorrect statement. Now get back to me when you start applying this level of fact-checking to the endless bull**** that comes out of the White House. In case you aren't aware that's a little more important than what a solitary congresswoman is saying.
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Oooh, a picture.

Slowcasio style reasoning on display

How many cars do you figure existed in just the US in 1913? Any idea?
Why would that even matter? You've stated that something is impossible when it categorically isn't. Just admit you overstated the matter, and that you actually meant improbable or impractical. That's all you need to do Beavis.
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