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Old 12-18-2016, 06:51 PM   #51
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Did you watch the Alley video yet?

Why not?

PS - For an exercise, compute the surface temperature of the earth given incoming solar and the average albedo. Then explain why your result differs so much from observations:
Can you at least acknowledge that you read what I reposted and highlighted, so that you don't keep asking for a time frame when I posted it something like six times?
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God, no. Don't give Falco an opening to talk about weed. NO!!!!!!!!
It's his entire existence and reason for living.

Poor wee naif LINO-boy Shane.
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Can you at least acknowledge that you read what I reposted and highlighted, so that you don't keep asking for a time frame when I posted it something like six times?
Watch Alley's video. It's worth less than an hour of your time.

Please.
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It's his entire existence and reason for living.

Poor wee naif LINO-boy Shane.
Kind of like yours is to post insults in every political thread and not actually read posts in what you claim is supposed to be an honest and open discussion.

I think I'll take Shane's green policy over yours if this is the best you got.
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It's his entire existence and reason for living.
kind of like the political section of a broncos forum for you.




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Watch Alley's video. It's worth less than an hour of your time.

Please.
Can you at least acknowledge that you read what I reposted and highlighted, so that you don't keep asking for a time frame when I posted it something like six times?

I take it from your responses that you don't believe the current temp, sea level and rate of change for both is out of the norm for an inter-glacial, since you keep pretending I haven't asked the question six plus times and keep just saying, "watch the youtube, bro..."
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Kind of like yours is to post insults in every political thread and not actually read posts in what you claim is supposed to be an honest and open discussion.

I think I'll take Shane's green policy over yours if this is the best you got.
he wont post in any other part of this forum.

His job, is to troll people in here.

i just wonder how much he actually gets paid to do it.
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Kind of like yours is to post insults in every political thread and not actually read posts in what you claim is supposed to be an honest and open discussion.
You're being dishonest.
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he wont post in any other part of this forum.

His job, is to troll people in here.

i just wonder how much he actually gets paid to do it.
I would just assume he would do a better job of it.

All he does is curses at people and say C02. Very disturbing.
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Can you at least acknowledge that you read what I reposted and highlighted, so that you don't keep asking for a time frame when I posted it something like six times?

I take it from your responses that you don't believe the current temp, sea level and rate of change for both is out of the norm for an inter-glacial, since you keep pretending I haven't asked the question six plus times and keep just saying, "watch the youtube, bro..."
Do you know who Richard Alley is?

Do you know what AGU is?

Do you know what the AGU Bjerknes Lecture is?

Why aren't you willing to watch a 1 hour video? Would you rather spend years reading the material I already know?

I'm saving you lots of time and energy, and all you can do is whine.
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You're being dishonest.
Seriously? Please explain.

How can asking you to show me how our current temps/sea level and rate of change in this inter-glacial is different than the previous five being dishonest?

I really want to hear the answer to this one.
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Do you know who Richard Alley is?

Do you know what AGU is?

Do you know what the AGU Bjerknes Lecture is?

Why aren't you willing to watch a 1 hour video? Would you rather spend years reading the material I already know?

I'm saving you lots of time and energy, and all you can do is whine.
Ok, from all of this, I conclude that you do in fact believe that our current temperature, sea level and rates of change are within the natural variations of an inter-glacial period.

The way you pretend I didn't ask the question six plus times can only be construed as you being evasive an afraid to answer the question.
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I would just assume he would do a better job of it.

All he does is curses at people and say C02. Very disturbing.
You seem to think that the last 150 years or so is nothing extraordinary.

If you'd take the time to learn, even just 1 hours' worth of your time, you'd understand that it is.

I'm making things as simple as possible for you.
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Ok, from all of this, I conclude that you do in fact believe that our current temperature, sea level and rates of change are within the natural variations of an inter-glacial period.

The way you pretend I didn't ask the question six plus times can only be construed as you being evasive an afraid to answer the question.
I'm giving you a chance to learn from one of the experts in paleoclimate.

All you want to do is attack me personally and revel in your ignorance.

I can't help you learn if you refuse to do so.
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You seem to think that the last 150 years or so is nothing extraordinary.

If you'd take the time to learn, even just 1 hours' worth of your time, you'd understand that it is.

I'm making things as simple as possible for you.
No, you are intentionally avoiding answering my question.

Let's try again.

Has sea level been higher than today in any of the last five inter-glacial periods?

Has temperature been higher than today in any of the last five inter-glacial periods?

You mock Christians that believe in creation for believing the earth is only ~5,000 years old, but you seem to believe the earth's climate was created 166 years ago. I guess that is the zealotry of true belief at play...

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I'm giving you a chance to learn from one of the experts in paleoclimate.

All you want to do is attack me personally and revel in your ignorance.

I can't help you learn if you refuse to do so.
Would you like me to go back just the last three days and quote all of the rude, insulting things you have posted to others in here?

Shame on you. I say shame on you for accusing me of attacking you personally. You of all people.

Back to the topic, I asked a VERY straight forward question, and you are either incapable of understanding it (which I do not believe) or are intentionally pretending you haven't seen the question seven or eight or nine times now that I've posted it.
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No, you are intentionally avoiding answering my question.

Let's try again.

Has sea level been higher than today in any of the last five inter-glacial periods?

Has temperature been higher than today in any of the last inter-glacial periods?
You're operating from a logical fallacy (non-anthropogenic changes in the past absolutely preclude anthropogenic changes today; see my comment on lighting and arson) and ignoring the timescale of said changes - tens of millennia vs. ~150 years.

Why do you insist that those two incorrect beliefs are in fact correct?

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You mock Christians that believe in creation for believing the earth is only ~5,000 years old, but you seem to believe the earth's climate was created 166 years ago. I guess that is the zealotry of true belief at play...
You're substituting irrelevant and incorrect snark for honesty and openness.

Why?
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Would you like me to go back just the last three days and quote all of the rude, insulting things you have posted to others in here?

Shame on you. I say shame on you for accusing me of attacking you personally. You of all people.

Back to the topic, I asked a VERY straight forward question, and you are either incapable of understanding it (which I do not believe) or are intentionally pretending you haven't seen the question seven or eight or nine times now that I've posted it.
I've provided you a solid reference and you absolutely refuse to accept it.

Why?

I'm providing you the most approachable and easy-to-understand source there is. You won't even take that smallest of steps.

Why?
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You're operating from a logical fallacy (non-anthropogenic changes in the past absolutely preclude anthropogenic changes today; see my comment on lighting and arson) and ignoring the timescale of said changes - tens of millennia vs. ~150 years.
I am absolutely not. What I'm saying is that:

The first thing we need to look at is the range of natural variability seen in recent inter-glacial periods (something we are currently living in).

That has to be the starting point.

Then, IF, we are outside of the natural variability, THEN we can look at what could be causing the difference.

Finally, IF we are outside of natural variability AND conclude that man is playing some or all of the part, we need to decide if there is any reasonable efforts that will make any material change in the trajectory AND whether warming at the end of an inter-glacial period is actually a bad thing.

So, we are at step one. YOU explaining to me why what we are seeing now is outside the natural variability of a typical inter-glacial period.

So, stop avoiding the question and answer it.
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I've provided you a solid reference and you absolutely refuse to accept it.

Why?

I'm providing you the most approachable and easy-to-understand source there is. You won't even take that smallest of steps.

Why?
Why won't you answer my VERY simple question. Why won't you take the smallest step in responding and having an honest debate on the subject?
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I am absolutely not. What I'm saying is that:

The first thing we need to look at is the range of natural variability seen in recent inter-glacial periods (something we are currently living in).

That has to be the starting point.

Then, IF, we are outside of the natural variability, THEN we can look at what could be causing the difference.

Finally, IF we are outside of natural variability AND conclude that man is playing some or all of the part, we need to decide if there is any reasonable efforts that will make any material change in the trajectory AND whether warming at the end of an inter-glacial period is actually a bad thing.

So, we are at step one. YOU explaining to me why what we are seeing now is outside the natural variability of a typical inter-glacial period.

So, stop avoiding the question and answer it.
Start with the Alley lecture.

One thing you're forgetting - timescales. Natural variability operates on millennial timescales and longer. We're seeing changes on timescales of barely a century, and for some observations, just a few decades.

You seem to think that losing 15 lbs of weight over a year or so is no different than losing 15 lbs in a few moments because of amputation.
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Start with the Alley lecture.

One thing you're forgetting - timescales. Natural variability operates on millennial timescales and longer. We're seeing changes on timescales of barely a century, and for some observations, just a few decades.

You seem to think that losing 15 lbs of weight over a year or so is no different than losing 15 lbs in a few moments because of amputation.
Obviously you don't understand the concept of "rate of change."

Here's a link to a google search result. You will hopefully find this useful. After you understand what rate of change is, come back and you will no longer need to throw out the millenia nonsense as a means to avoid answer the question.

https://www.google.com/search?safe=o....0.RgbEudkjo3k
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Obviously you don't understand the concept of "rate of change."
It's quite clear you don't.

How's your viewing of Alley's Bjerknes Lecture going?
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It's quite clear you don't.

How's your viewing of Alley's Bjerknes Lecture going?
Has sea level been higher than today in any of the last five inter-glacial periods?

Has temperature been higher than today in any of the last five inter-glacial periods?

Has sea level rate of change been higher than today in any of the last five inter-glacial periods?

Has temperature rate of change been higher than today in any of the last five inter-glacial periods?

I would assume these would be very easy questions for you to answer.
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