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Old 02-12-2019, 09:51 AM   #26
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Your first sentence is bulk****. School systems are not wholly “managed” by the one entity where as the Catholic church is, the Baptist church is etc.
It's quite clear you have no idea how these entities work. Especially Baptist churches. There's more command and control in Catholic churches, although still not as much as you'd guess. Your average Baptist church is largely independent other than in the doctrines they ascribe to and the meetings they attend.

They certainly aren't making centralized staffing decisions or anything of the like. Each church handles its own.
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It's quite clear you have no idea how these entities work. Especially Baptist churches. There's more command and control in Catholic churches, although still not as much as you'd guess. Your average Baptist church is largely independent other than in the doctrines they ascribe to and the meetings they attend.

They certainly aren't making centralized staffing decisions or anything of the like. Each church handles its own.
They transferred priests around like checker pieces to hide them. Just because YOU didn’t know about it means nothing.
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https://www.chicagotribune.com/news/...625-story.html

Long-buried report concluded Chicago school principal ignored warnings in horrific sexual abuse case

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It is the largest known case of sexual abuse involving a Chicago Public Schools worker, volunteer or vendor in recent decades, one that led to $2.7 million in legal settlements earlier this year. Yet no one at CPS was ever held accountable for allowing a dangerous sexual predator to volunteer and work in the West Side school.

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• A CPS principal at a nearby school said she had dismissed Lovett as a volunteer after a community resident told her Lovett had been seen at a party “coming on” to teenage boys — and that she provided that information to Tyson. A former teacher and assistant principal at Johnson also told investigators she had warned Tyson that Lovett was rumored to “have a thing” for young boys, according to the report.

• A Johnson school counselor told investigators that a male special education student had reported to her that Lovett was taking boys to his apartment, making them pull down their pants and spanking them. The counselor told investigators that she informed Tyson but that Tyson did not follow up and that Tyson continued to give Lovett free rein at the school.

• An engineer at Johnson reported to investigators that he told Tyson he had discovered Lovett at the school, after hours, with two or three boys around the age of 12 or 13 near a basement stairwell.

In its written response, Vallas’ campaign also defended the lack of any immediate investigation into Lovett’s sexual misconduct — or the principal’s alleged failure to report it — by saying it was a matter for police and child welfare authorities.

Without admitting wrongdoing, school officials this spring agreed to pay $2.7 million to settle separate lawsuits brought by the 19 young men who said they were molested by Lovett as far back as 1988. That is by far the district’s costliest school sexual abuse payout since 2010, a Tribune review of CPS settlements and other court records shows.
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Here you go again
It's just important to note that the instinct to hide things is very human, and very pervasive. Everywhere.

Like I said, churches should definitely do better. But as long as people delude themselves by trying to pretend it doesn't happen with "their" people, it's important to state the facts that clearly show otherwise.
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It's just important to note that the instinct to hide things is very human, and very pervasive. Everywhere.

Like I said, churches should definitely do better. But as long as people delude themselves by trying to pretend it doesn't happen with "their" people, it's important to state the facts that clearly show otherwise.
Pointing out the issue in churches doesn’t imply it’s not happening elsewhere. Your need to deflect is truly pathological.
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Pointing out the issue in churches doesn’t imply it’s not happening elsewhere. Your need to deflect is truly pathological.
Except comments like "Racing the RCC to the bottom." or "The “education system” did not do that because it can’t." prove that what I'm saying is actually correct.

This is being viewed as an opportunity to land some punches on a rival tribe more than as an opportunity to truly open everyone's eyes to child abuse.

If your argument is "these people in that tribe did this, but people in my tribe don't" you'd better be right. In this case, they're very wrong.
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Beaver strengthens, on a daily basis, the case that conservatives are sociopaths.

His moral argument boils down to "as long as someone else has committed a similar offense in the past, members of my tribe get a free pass for any given offense."

It's the "if everyone's guilty, then no one's guilty" mafia mentality on display.
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Except comments like "Racing the RCC to the bottom." or "The “education system” did not do that because it can’t." prove that what I'm saying is actually correct.

This is being viewed as an opportunity to land some punches on a rival tribe more than as an opportunity to truly open everyone's eyes to child abuse.

If your argument is "these people in that tribe did this, but people in my tribe don't" you'd better be right. In this case, they're very wrong.
Who are you kidding? You started full throttle deflecting as soon as this thread started.
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Who are you kidding? You started full throttle deflecting as soon as this thread started.
Read thread title and OP.

Quite clear what the intention is.
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Read thread title and OP.

Quite clear what the intention is.
Yes apparently to offend you personally.
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Read thread title and OP.

Quite clear what the intention is.
To call out the Southern Baptist church for dropping the ball when it comes to protecting their children from sexual predators? As a Christian, you should be more disgusted by this than anyone, and yet all you seem to want to do is deflect blame.
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To call out the Southern Baptist church for dropping the ball when it comes to protecting their children from sexual predators? As a Christian, you should be more disgusted by this than anyone, and yet all you seem to want to do is deflect blame.
Individual churches certainly 'dropped the ball'

Making it about the Baptist convention is where it falls apart. Baptist churches aren't run by, or even owned by, the convention. Each church is its own legal entity. The only link between them is in professed doctrine.
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The pedophilia is the core immorality.

What makes it so much more horrific is that higher-ups knew and tried to cover it up.
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I'm guessing Beav is a Southern Baptist.

And taking out his distress with whataboutism.

Just like he does with the deformity known as Cheetolini.

Trying to avert everyone's attention.
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Individual churches certainly 'dropped the ball'

Making it about the Baptist convention is where it falls apart. Baptist churches aren't run by, or even owned by, the convention. Each church is its own legal entity. The only link between them is in professed doctrine.
The Southern Baptist Convention opted to not take action. That was 47,000 churches making a choice, and they should be held accountable for that. Come on Beavis.
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I'm guessing Beav is a Southern Baptist.

And taking out his distress with whataboutism.

Just like he does with the deformity known as Cheetolini.

Trying to avert everyone's attention.
Swing and a miss.

I just know how it operates. Hell, if you'd read your own article, you would too.

It's a very loose affiliation. There's no mechanism for "the church" to organize against local abusers. They don't even know who the local churches employ.

It's a shell game to try to hold such a loosely governed organization collectively accountable. It's really a federation of thousands of independent organizations.
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The Southern Baptist Convention opted to not take action. That was 47,000 churches making a choice, and they should be held accountable for that. Come on Beavis.
Member when Planned Parenthood claimed it wasn't accountable for the actions of its state and local organizations?

Good times. Good times.

And they're still much more tightly knit than the SBC.
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Member when Planned Parenthood claimed it wasn't accountable for the actions of its state and local organizations?

Good times. Good times.

And they're still much more tightly knit than the SBC.
You just can’t help yourself. Even as you are called out for deflecting, you do it, once again, rather than argue an actual point.
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You just can’t help yourself. Even as you are called out for deflecting, you do it, once again, rather than argue an actual point.
Just demonstrating how loosely affiliated groups operate, Hoss. You want to hold them accountable for a level of involvement they never had.

I mean that's what you do, so I'm not surprised. But your rationale, as always, is highly selective.
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Just demonstrating how loosely affiliated groups operate, Hoss. You want to hold them accountable for a level of involvement they never had.

I mean that's what you do, so I'm not surprised. But your rationale, as always, is highly selective.
In his mind all Baptist are guilty. Same can be said of the RCC. Even though each diocese is managed differently. Yet, point out the same thing happens anywhere children are involved and your deflecting.
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Not to worry - they’re “forgiven.”

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It's not really worse. This is just a big societal problem. And the creeps often seek out opportunities that work with kids.

I don't actually think it's new. I think we just spent decades not talking about it and covering it up.
Same with sexual harassment and assualt of women. And then #MeToo happened and some of y'all got salty.
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The difference with the churches...
I'd say the difference is that churches claim the moral high ground. Preaching one thing while doing something horrible. That said, it's disgusting, criminal and unacceptable in both situations.
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