Is Peyton the Answer

[NFLBRONCO]

Originally Posted by Agamemnon

The poll is asking if Peyton is "the answer" to going to the Super Bowl, not whether or not you are excited about him playing for the Broncos. And my point is that "the answer" is to build a complete team around him. Manning alone isn't the answer to anything.

I see what your saying about the complete team and I agree and its up to FO to get it done fast. Without Manning though this team doesn't smell SB run anytime soon. If Manning plays well this year Denver can fill holes like mad in 13. I think privately Denver is planning for 13 and beyond for SB run anyways. 12 is for reps with new team and build his strength to close to normal. So he is the biggest answer right now.

[BroncoBeavis]

Originally Posted by NFLBRONCO

I see what your saying about the complete team and I agree and its up to FO to get it done fast. Without Manning though this team doesn't smell SB run anytime soon. If Manning plays well this year Denver can fill holes like mad in 13. I think privately Denver is planning for 13 and beyond for SB run anyways. 12 is for reps with new team and build his strength to close to normal. So he is the biggest answer right now.

There is no '13 "and beyond"

You just can't plan around a 40yo QB maintaining an elite level of play. '13 is the deadline. If they don't make a SB in year two of this thing, there's no way to regard it as a success. And the day PM leaves, this team is no longer a serious contender.

[UltimateHoboW/Shotgun]

Originally Posted by Agamemnon

The poll is asking if Peyton is "the answer" to going to the Super Bowl, not whether or not you are excited about him playing for the Broncos. And my point is that "the answer" is to build a complete team around him. Manning alone isn't the answer to anything.

This reminds me of the Elway era. Talk started and ended with Elway. So goes Elway, so goes theBroncos. Same here. So goes Manning, so goes the Broncos(well add in Broncos need to stop the run.)

[RhymesayersDU]

Originally Posted by BroncoBeavis

There is no '13 "and beyond"

You just can't plan around a 40yo QB maintaining an elite level of play. '13 is the deadline. If they don't make a SB in year two of this thing, there's no way to regard it as a success. And the day PM leaves, this team is no longer a serious contender.

False. Brock OSWEILER.

[CEH]

All any team can ask for each year is a legimate shot to play for Lombardi
and 75 % of the league won't even win a playoff game this year. That is a fact. Manning has made the playoffs every year he started except this rookie year. Adding Manning makes Denver one of those 4-5 teams that has a legimate shot before the season even starts every year he starts for Denver.

So yes Manning is the answer to getting to the Super Bowl above anything else the Broncos could have done in FA or the draft

Forget the fact that we have a freakish WR and maybe the next DPOY in Miller

Point differentail and or turnovers (with luck of non critical injury) is a pretty good indicator of a team's performance and if Manning can get the offense up near 26-27 ppg this defense will be about 19-20 ppg and a 6-7 point differenatial is a 12-13 win season. This is really what Manning will bring to the team.

I like those numbers even with the schedule because we've seen time and time again getting the hot QB at the right time is a prime key to getting to the Super Bowl

[BroncoBeavis]

Originally Posted by CEH

All any team can ask for each year is a legimate shot to play for Lombardi
and 75 % of the league won't even win a playoff game this year. That is a fact. Manning has made the playoffs every year he started except this rookie year. Adding Manning makes Denver one of those 4-5 teams that has a legimate shot before the season even starts every year he starts for Denver.

So yes Manning is the answer to getting to the Super Bowl above anything else the Broncos could have done in FA or the draft

Forget the fact that we have a freakish WR and maybe the next DPOY in Miller

Point differentail and or turnovers (with luck of non critical injury) is a pretty good indicator of a team's performance and if Manning can get the offense up near 26-27 ppg this defense will be about 19-20 ppg and a 6-7 point differenatial is a 12-13 win season. This is really what

There's more to be worried about than making the playoffs. It's not the crap shoot you're making it out to be. Over the last 9 years the AFC has been represented by 3 teams in the SB.

Dozens of others have gotten in over that span, but the cream generally rises. And the debate here is whether plugging one hole among many is all it takes. None of those other teams brought in a hired gun to lead the team. They grew their own. Now we get to see what difference it makes.

[errand]

Originally Posted by BroncoBeavis

Over the last 9 years the AFC has been represented by 3 teams in the SB.

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And one of those three teams was QB'd by Peyton Manning.....

[SonOfLe-loLang]

Originally Posted by BroncoBeavis

There's more to be worried about than making the playoffs. It's not the crap shoot you're making it out to be. Over the last 9 years the AFC has been represented by 3 teams in the SB.

Dozens of others have gotten in over that span, but the cream generally rises. And the debate here is whether plugging one hole among many is all it takes. None of those other teams brought in a hired gun to lead the team. They grew their own. Now we get to see what difference it makes.

You're making it seem like this is a normal occurance. A pretty freak set of circumstances lead to us getting Peyton. Suddenly we have a top five guy ever to play the game as a "hired gun.". There's not a ton of precedence for this. And the closest examples, favre and Montana, got their teams in the conf championships.

[CEH]

Originally Posted by BroncoBeavis

There's more to be worried about than making the playoffs. It's not the crap shoot you're making it out to be. Over the last 9 years the AFC has been represented by 3 teams in the SB.

Dozens of others have gotten in over that span, but the cream generally rises. And the debate here is whether plugging one hole among many is all it takes. None of those other teams brought in a hired gun to lead the team. They grew their own. Now we get to see what difference it makes.

I didn't say it was a crapshoot in fact your post proves my point .
75 % of the team wont even win a playoff game.


I'm saying yes Manning is the key and your post solidfies my point

Thank you

The AFC over the last 10 years have been led by a guy named either Manning, Brady or Roth. Guess who Denver has leading them this year

Don't see Baltimore playing in the Super Bowl . How come. They have the most talent bar none especially back a couple years. How did NE do in '08 with a guy not named Brady?

Somehow Indy missed the playoffs for the first time in 10+ years? How come did they lose all their talent?

This is a QB driven league. I won't budge on that opinion backed up by who is playing for Lomabardi each year.

I like out chances with the young talent we are about to unleash on the offensive and defensive sides

[IHaveALight]

Peyton only is not, this team and coaching staff is. 19-0.

[BroncoBeavis]

Originally Posted by CEH

I didn't say it was a crapshoot in fact your post proves my point .
75 % of the team wont even win a playoff game.


I'm saying yes Manning is the key and your post solidfies my point

Thank you

The AFC over the last 10 years have been led by a guy named either Manning, Brady or Roth. Guess who Denver has leading them this year

Don't see Baltimore playing in the Super Bowl . How come. They have the most talent bar none especially back a couple years. How did NE do in '08 with a guy not named Brady?

Somehow Indy missed the playoffs for the first time in 10+ years? How come did they lose all their talent?

This is a QB driven league. I won't budge on that opinion backed up by who is playing for Lomabardi each year.

I like out chances with the young talent we are about to unleash on the offensive and defensive sides

Big Ben already has more playoff wins then Peyton (and rings). And it ain't because he's a better QB. Brady hasn't won one since he lost his defense.

The "all we need is a new QB" carousel in Denver keeps getting us nowhere. Now this time we're selling it all for a two year window. The wheels fall off the franchise after that. Only a SB would make it worth it. Saying "Well at least he gave us a better chance" won't cut it.

[CEH]

Originally Posted by BroncoBeavis

Big Ben already has more playoff wins then Peyton (and rings). And it ain't because he's a better QB. Brady hasn't won one since he lost his defense.

The "all we need is a new QB" carousel in Denver keeps getting us nowhere. Now this time we're selling it all for a two year window. The wheels fall off the franchise after that. Only a SB would make it worth it. Saying "Well at least he gave us a better chance" won't cut it.

How many Super Bowl wins is irrelevant to the poll question

[errand]

Originally Posted by BroncoBeavis

Big Ben already has more playoff wins then Peyton (and rings). And it ain't because he's a better QB. Brady hasn't won one since he lost his defense.

The "all we need is a new QB" carousel in Denver keeps getting us nowhere. Now this time we're selling it all for a two year window. The wheels fall off the franchise after that. Only a SB would make it worth it. Saying "Well at least he gave us a better chance" won't cut it.

Still butt hurt I see......

[Stuck in Cali]

Bringing in Peyton is not like bringing in Jake. I liked Jake, but with Peyton you get so much more. He is truly a coach in the huddle. Players will step up their game, do things they would not normally do. Just like they did for John. They both have this aura around them that makes others want to sell out. As I have said before he is not the only part of the answer. It's gonna take 1-3 yrs to see how big a part of the answer he was.

Looking forward to finding out.

If I remember correctly even though is a 96 million dollar contract, the franchise/cap its not gonna be handcuffed and unable to add more pieces in the future, or still be paying him when he has retired.

[DENVERDUI55]

Originally Posted by BroncoBeavis

Big Ben already has more playoff wins then Peyton (and rings). And it ain't because he's a better QB. Brady hasn't won one since he lost his defense.

The "all we need is a new QB" carousel in Denver keeps getting us nowhere. Now this time we're selling it all for a two year window. The wheels fall off the franchise after that. Only a SB would make it worth it. Saying "Well at least he gave us a better chance" won't cut it.

Yep and no matter how you slice it your boy isn't winning a ring as the starting qb.

[Josh007]

I don't have any worries about Peyton finishing the season healthy. He's always been one of the best conditioned athletes...you know he's taking his rehab seriously! Looking forward to a great season!

[Bacchus]

Originally Posted by Josh007

I don't have any worries about Peyton finishing the season healthy. He's always been one of the best conditioned athletes...you know he's taking his rehab seriously! Looking forward to a great season!

I agree with this, maybe it is just me because I have never really followed him that closley but he looks so skinny.

[oubronco]

Originally Posted by BroncoBeavis

Big Ben already has more playoff wins then Peyton (and rings). And it ain't because he's a better QB. Brady hasn't won one since he lost his defense.

The "all we need is a new QB" carousel in Denver keeps getting us nowhere. Now this time we're selling it all for a two year window. The wheels fall off the franchise after that. Only a SB would make it worth it. Saying "Well at least he gave us a better chance" won't cut it.

They weren't going anywhere with Tebow either. That offense had already been figured out and shutdown. If not for a stupid defensive scheme they would not have beaten the Steelers and finished the season with 4 straight losses

[Josh007]

With two weeks away from Fake Football hhm I mean Pre Season I super excited to see Peyton (hoever briefly) in game time action!

[Bacchus]

Originally Posted by Josh007

With two weeks away from Fake Football hhm I mean Pre Season I super excited to see Peyton (hoever briefly) in game time action!

You said it Brother!!

[Josh007]

Peyton is the REAL DEAL! He's going to make that offense less offensive than tebow was last season! Can't wait to see Peyton disecting Defenses throughout the AFC West! Legendary!

[BroncsRule]

Originally Posted by SonOfLe-loLang

You're making it seem like this is a normal occurance. A pretty freak set of circumstances lead to us getting Peyton. Suddenly we have a top five guy ever to play the game as a "hired gun.". There's not a ton of precedence for this. And the closest examples, favre and Montana, got their teams in the conf championships.

There is one other example: Kurt Warner. He did pretty good in AZ, as I recall.

While it's true that no superbowl winning QB has ever switched teams after age 35 and won a Lombardi with his new team, there is strong statistical evidence to suggest that really, really good QB's tend to go deep into the playoffs. Which is all you can really ask. If you're hanging around in mid January & haven't been eliminated yet, hey - from there, all it takes is a couple lucky bounces.

Especially these days, in the Free Agency/salary cap era.

[errand]

Originally Posted by BroncsRule

There is one other example: Kurt Warner. He did pretty good in AZ, as I recall.

While it's true that no superbowl winning QB has ever switched teams after age 35 and won a Lombardi with his new team, there is strong statistical evidence to suggest that really, really good QB's tend to go deep into the playoffs. Which is all you can really ask. If you're hanging around in mid January & haven't been eliminated yet, hey - from there, all it takes is a couple lucky bounces.

Especially these days, in the Free Agency/salary cap era.

I posted 8 examples where an aging vet coming off injury or having age, durability concerns....and half of them, Warner, Morrall, Chandler, and Morton led their teams to conference titles...