If facts don’t lie, is Mexico safer than the U.S.?

[baja]

Originally Posted by ColoradoDarin

Dude I've lived and traveled in the US for over 37 years. I'd say I'm in a better position to report on crime in the US that you who refuses to even set foot in the country. Just sayin...

Dude I was born in the US and have lived in Maine, Mass, Ct., Alabama, Texas, Colorado, Hawaii, California, Oklahoma, Arizona and have visited just about every state in the union. I lived and worked in the US for 37 years. BTW I was in San Digo this time last week. Just sayin....

[Dr. Broncenstein]

If a police captain or mayor is gunned down in the US, it's a big deal. If it happens in Mexico, it's a slow Tuesday.

[baja]

Interesting that the indisputable statistics that show Mexico has fewer homicides per capata than the US is such a threat to you guys. Someone care to tell me why that is.

[Dr. Broncenstein]

Originally Posted by baja

Interesting that the indisputable statistics that show Mexico has fewer homicides per capata than the US is such a threat to you guys. Someone care to tell me why that is.

You have to be kidding me with the indisputable statistics part. Maybe it's perception... but I'm never surprised to hear about Mexican police and government officials being slaughtered in broad daylight.

[baja]

OK I did some checking but all I could find is the figures for early 2000's and at that time Mexico had more homicides per capata than the USA but it was close. Can anyone find recent numbers?

[baja]

Originally Posted by Dr. Broncenstein

You have to be kidding me with the indisputable statistics part. Maybe it's perception... but I'm never surprised to hear about Mexican police and government officials being slaughtered in broad daylight.

That's my point the US press is making the thing bigger than it is. I speculate it is to keep US travel dollars in the US.

Here in Cabo the tourists have figured that out and are coming back. Tourism is way up over the last two years which were devastating.

[Pony Boy]

Originally Posted by baja

Interesting that the indisputable statistics that show Mexico has fewer homicides per capata than the US is such a threat to you guys. Someone care to tell me why that is.

Ha...... that's because they don't bother to report homicides in Mexico.....it's like in the US when we see a dead deer on the road, we feel bad but just keep on driving.....

[2KBack]

Originally Posted by baja

I didn't say it was perfect

Still less violant per capata than the USA

"In fact, much of the crime data per capita 1000 population suggests that in many respects Mexico is safer than the U.S.: in assaults the U.S. ranks No. 6, Mexico No. 20; burglaries the U.S. No. 17, Mexico No. 34; car thefts U.S. No. 9, Mexico No. 22; fraud U.S. No. 18, Mexico No. 29; Rape (Canada No.5), U.S. No. 9, Mexico No. 17."

I wonder where our respective countries would rank on accurate censor data, and the actual reporting (or recording) of crime? I volunteer in Guatemala every couple years or so, and I can tell you that a fraction of the rapes get reported due to a strong cultural core of patriarchy.

[baja]

Originally Posted by 2KBack

I wonder where our respective countries would rank on accurate censor data, and the actual reporting (or recording) of crime? I volunteer in Guatemala every couple years or so, and I can tell you that a fraction of the rapes get reported due to a strong cultural core of patriarchy.

That's true in Mexico too. Rape and spousal abuse is a big problem here. I bet it is highly underreported in the US too.

[ColoradoDarin]

Originally Posted by baja

Dude I was born in the US and have lived in Maine, Mass, Ct., Alabama, Texas, Colorado, Hawaii, California, Oklahoma, Arizona and have visited just about every state in the union. I lived and worked in the US for 37 years. BTW I was in San Digo this time last week. Just sayin....

And yet you assume that I have never been to Mexico, even though my statements have been forward looking.

Originally Posted by baja

In one of the only bright spots due to its recent gang related murders, Mexico, on a per capita, ranks as more dangerous than the U.S. occupying No. 24 and Mexico No. 6 in the world, but in total number of murders the U.S. is No. 5 and Mexico No. 6.

Err...doesn't this sentence pretty much negate the whole article?

Originally Posted by 2KBack

I wonder where our respective countries would rank on accurate censor data, and the actual reporting (or recording) of crime? I volunteer in Guatemala every couple years or so, and I can tell you that a fraction of the rapes get reported due to a strong cultural core of patriarchy.

I'm going to guess that most violent crime in Mexico is severely under-reported. Especially when you consider how incredibly corrupt and abusive the police are there. I really doubt most Mexicans have much trust in their legal system to be honest.

[maven]

I would have no problems traveling in Mexico. I do think tourism has taken a huge hit in Mexico. I also think because of this, tourists are checking out the many other places to go and finding new places to visit.

[baja]

Originally Posted by ColoradoDarin

And yet you assume that I have never been to Mexico, even though my statements have been forward looking.

I was going by your statement, "I will never set foot in Mexico".

Miss Cleo I'm not.

[baja]

Originally Posted by Agamemnon

Err...doesn't this sentence pretty much negate the whole article?

It's an awkward sentence true enough. I think he means the 5 -6 ratings.

[baja]

Originally Posted by Agamemnon

I'm going to guess that most violent crime in Mexico is severely under-reported. Especially when you consider how incredibly corrupt and abusive the police are there. I really doubt most Mexicans have much trust in their legal system to be honest.

That is true but it is changing under president Felipe Calderon.

Mexico has very little debt both public and private. Half the population is under 26 years old. 95% have free health care. Calderon has trimmed much fat from the government. The are building roads all over Mexico like crazy. The middle class has grown by a huge margin. NAFTA has been good for Mexico. In general Mexico's future is bright while as an American I am concerned about the US's future, especially short term.

[baja]

I'll tell ya the crime that goes unreported in Mexico is kidnappings. It's a huge problem in Mexico City. They have left the tourists alone so far.

[epicSocialism4tw]

Originally Posted by Pony Boy

Ha...... that's because they don't bother to report homicides in Mexico.....it's like in the US when we see a dead deer on the road, we feel bad but just keep on driving.....

No joke.

Its also hard to count the hundreds of bodies buried in the desert that they have yet to find.

[Rock Chalk]

Originally Posted by baja

I didn't say it was perfect

Still less violant per capata than the USA

"In fact, much of the crime data per capita 1000 population suggests that in many respects Mexico is safer than the U.S.: in assaults the U.S. ranks No. 6, Mexico No. 20; burglaries the U.S. No. 17, Mexico No. 34; car thefts U.S. No. 9, Mexico No. 22; fraud U.S. No. 18, Mexico No. 29; Rape (Canada No.5), U.S. No. 9, Mexico No. 17."

Multiply Mexican numbers by about 10-20 because of the fact that people dont ****ing report crimes in Mexico. These are REPORTED crimes.

People in America actually report crime, they trust the local authorities, and for the most part, teh government to crack down on crime. People in Mexico do not. Furthermore, a Mexican Drug Cartel gang assaults 10 people in a small village. That's 10 crimes you can bet your ass are NEVER reported. There is no possibility of punishment for that drug cartel. Murder, rape, assault, theft, none of that **** is reported with any consistency in most of Mexico. Maybe in the larger cities where there is some semblance of stability, but certainly not in smaller towns and villages where the local law enforcement is bought and paid for by neighboring drug cartels, gangsters, thugs and just general bad guys.

You are an absolutely ****ing moron if you believe those stats are even remotely accurate. All they give information on is REPORTED crimes. Crime in America is more reported than in **** hole countries where the people have no trust in the authorities to follow up on claims of violence and/or theft.

[v2micca]

Facts may not lie. But as a man much wised than me once said. There are lies, there are damn lies, and then there are statistics. I have seen no facts presented here. Just statistics that others have noted are highly suspect.

[baja]

Well it seems important to most of you to paint Mexico as a real shiit hole. That is your privilege but it is not the reality. Mexico is the victim of bad press from the US and it's about money (tourist dollars) It's a shame so many of you are so easily deceived.

You are being manipulated into believing what your overlords want you to believe.

Do not kid yourselves Mexico is in great financial shape, growing and progressing every day. I wish I could say the same for the deeply in dept United States.

Many of you are in for a huge surprise some day soon I am sad to say.

[baja]

Originally Posted by v2micca

Facts may not lie. But as a man much wised than me once said. There are lies, there are damn lies, and then there are statistics. I have seen no facts presented here. Just statistics that others have noted are highly suspect.

Do you need facts to know what is going on in your area?

Neither do I.

[Popps]

Originally Posted by baja

Well it seems important to most of you to paint Mexico as a real shiit hole. That is your privilege but it is not the reality. Mexico is the victim of bad press from the US and it's about money (tourist dollars) It's a shame so many of you are so easily deceived.

You are being manipulated into believing what your overlords want you to believe.

Do not kid yourselves Mexico is in great financial shape, growing and progressing every day. I wish I could say the same for the deeply in dept United States.

Many of you are in for a huge surprise some day soon I am sad to say.

Care to expand on that?

None of the Mexicans I know seem to agree with you. Maybe I don't know the right people.

[baja]

Well I can do no more on this subject. I have posted an hour long interview by Charlie Rose asking tough questions of Felipe Calderon, president of Mexico that has many enlightening facts presented. Any body watch it? By the response here I'd say no.

Carry on with your smug ignorance of the issue. Don't listen to someone that has lived in the country in question for 25 years, that would be silly.

Continue getting your "truth syrup" from Murdock Media and other outlets with an agenda not in your best interests.

BTW He's a foreigner ya know...

[UberBroncoMan]

Originally Posted by baja

Well it seems important to most of you to paint Mexico as a real shiit hole. That is your privilege but it is not the reality. Mexico is the victim of bad press from the US and it's about money (tourist dollars) It's a shame so many of you are so easily deceived.

You are being manipulated into believing what your overlords want you to believe.

Do not kid yourselves Mexico is in great financial shape, growing and progressing every day. I wish I could say the same for the deeply in dept United States.

Many of you are in for a huge surprise some day soon I am sad to say.

It is a **** hole. That's why my ancestors ditched it in the late 1800's. There are two classes in Mexico. Rich as ****, and poor. The middle class is near non-existent.

You're a guy who worked his ass off for decades in the USA, probably saved well, and is now retired down in Mexico. Big difference in life style. Maybe if you actually knew what it was like to live as a Mexican in the common gutter that millions do, instead of the high-life, you'd get it.

I still have relatives down there. They don't live in remotely the same kind of "luxury" I do and they work hard. I only have one cousin who "made it," and he works overseas now for a ****ing Japanese corporation.

Growing and progressing? Well yeah it's growing, because they won't stop ****ing just like commonplace in other 2nd-3rd world countries. But progressing is laughable.

This entire thread seems like nothing but you trolling. Literally. This is just a troll thread in my eyes, with you egging everyone one to have some fun.

I'll agree on one thing though. The USA is not progressing at all, Bush and Obama + Congress have seen and continue to see to that.