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Old 12-12-2016, 07:39 AM   #101
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so did the CIA doing anything about these attempts or are they reporting "facts" after the fact? (see Benghazi)
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Old 12-12-2016, 08:06 AM   #102
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so did the CIA doing anything about these attempts or are they reporting "facts" after the fact? (see Benghazi)
The thing is nobody doubts Russia tries to hack into absolutely everything of any value to us.

The fact of the matter is nothing that came out of them were the reason Hillary lost Pennsylvania, Ohio, Michigan and Wisconsin.

That hasn't happened since 1984. Anonymous CIA trolls trying to spin a whole new narrative around the vacuously obvious is a tired new version of the same game they've been playing for years.

The CIA should keep itself behind the scenes. I think they've taken a bit too much liking in dabbling in politics. And as Greenwald points out (read that article, seriously) it gets more dishonest every time it decides to take its dialog public.
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The MSM is pushing this pretty hard that usually means there's nothing to it.
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Iif true, I'm not so sure they helped Trump as much as they helped Clinton lose. If I'm not mistaken, Putin hates Clinton for being a frigid bitc4.

So, if they were involved I'd like to know what was their end game? Was it to simply take out clinton no matter who ran against her? Was it to help Trump win? These questions are not something I'm seeing the media focus on, they're just finger pointing and making the audience assume Putin is in bed w Trump (which I don't believe is the case).

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Old 12-12-2016, 10:23 AM   #105
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Iif true, I'm not so sure they helped Trump as much as they helped Clinton lose. If I'm not mistaken, Putin hates Clinton for being a frigid bitc4.

So, if they were involved I'd like to know what was their end game? Was it to simply take out clinton no matter who ran against her? Was it to help Trump win? These questions are not something I'm seeing the media focus on, they're just finger pointing and making the audience assume Putin is in bed w Trump (which I don't believe is the case).
Trying to end the sanctions comes to mind.
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"Anonymous source": Russians hacked the election!!

Dems: We must investigate!



Wikileaks: Russians hacked Clinton's private server.

Dems: No they didn't! It was secure!


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Iif true, I'm not so sure they helped Trump as much as they helped Clinton lose. If I'm not mistaken, Putin hates Clinton for being a frigid bitc4.

So, if they were involved I'd like to know what was their end game? Was it to simply take out clinton no matter who ran against her? Was it to help Trump win? These questions are not something I'm seeing the media focus on, they're just finger pointing and making the audience assume Putin is in bed w Trump (which I don't believe is the case).
Gropey Don may or may not be in bed with Putin, but it's easy to imagine at the very least why Putin would want a narcissistic ignoramus who has never held public office in his life in the WH over a former Senator, SoS, and First Lady.

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"Anonymous source": Russians hacked the election!!

Dems: We must investigate!



Wikileaks: Russians hacked Clinton's private server.

Dems: No they didn't! It was secure!


Sad what they've brought themselves to, isn't it.
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Dems: We must investigate!
It it just the "Dems" saying we should investigate? (tip: there is a right and a wrong answer to this question...)
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Sad what they've brought themselves to, isn't it.
Almost as sad a not only nominating Donald Trump, but then electing him! And then firing up the apology tour! "Their will be no criticism of our massively flawed POTUS elect that we can't deflect!"
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It it just the "Dems" saying we should investigate? (tip: there is a right and a wrong answer to this question...)
In reality, not too many people are saying 'don't investigate'

I'm sure a few are. But anytime a major entity is breached by a foreign power (or suspected to have been), investigation is important.

Anonymous CIA propaganda-arm whining to the still tear-stricken press is just a bit much.

And if you truly believe Russia gets in whenever and wherever it wants, you should all hang your heads in shame for voting for a lady that outed dozens of CIA assets to that same foreign power.
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They could have videotaped proof that 10 million Russian agents secretly infiltrated the US, voted for Trump, and snuck out the next night, and it wouldn't change a thing.

Trump is beyond Teflon.

And the sheer level of hate for Hillary Clinton among his supporters is also beyond anything I've ever seen. Fidel Castro would have stood a better chance of getting their vote.
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Iif true, I'm not so sure they helped Trump as much as they helped Clinton lose. If I'm not mistaken, Putin hates Clinton for being a frigid bitc4.

So, if they were involved I'd like to know what was their end game? Was it to simply take out clinton no matter who ran against her? Was it to help Trump win? These questions are not something I'm seeing the media focus on, they're just finger pointing and making the audience assume Putin is in bed w Trump (which I don't believe is the case).
Lifting sanctions and having their own puppet in the White House. They could care less about whether HRC is a b**** or not.
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They could have videotaped proof that 10 million Russian agents secretly infiltrated the US, voted for Trump, and snuck out the next night, and it wouldn't change a thing.

Trump is beyond Teflon.

And the sheer level of hate for Hillary Clinton among his supporters is also beyond anything I've ever seen. Fidel Castro would have stood a better chance of getting their vote.
You don't have to be a raving Trump supporter to hate Hillary Clinton.

She earned almost every bit of disdain she's received.
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You don't have to be a raving Trump supporter to hate Hillary Clinton.

She earned almost every bit of disdain she's received.
And with that, I rest my case...
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And with that, I rest my case...
Give me an "I'm sorry about how we blew up Valerie Plame" and then we'll discuss.
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You also have to question what the Cia has to gain from pushing this out into the public domain? Are they worried trump will give more power to the Pentagons black budget as opposed to theirs?

More than meets the eye, folks.
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You also have to question what the Cia has to gain from pushing this out into the public domain? Are they worried trump will give more power to the Pentagons black budget as opposed to theirs?

More than meets the eye, folks.
Until they publish their report, it's fake news. Let's see the evidence (which there is none or they would have published it, they don't even know when exactly the data stolen to even look to comb through a trillion records; if those records even exist).
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You also have to question what the Cia has to gain from pushing this out into the public domain? Are they worried trump will give more power to the Pentagons black budget as opposed to theirs?

More than meets the eye, folks.
"Anonymous" CIA "leakers" (aka Democratic operatives) say RNC breach happened.

RNC says it was never breached and FBI PUBLICLY says there's no evidence that it was.

http://www.cnn.com/2016/12/11/politi...-donald-trump/

Anyway, when Greenwald tells you that something smells a lot like more clandestine federal bull****, we should all listen to him at this point.
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You also have to question what the Cia has to gain from pushing this out into the public domain? Are they worried trump will give more power to the Pentagons black budget as opposed to theirs?

More than meets the eye, folks.
They have nothing gain by antagonizing the president elect. If they worried about budgets, antagonizing trump would not help but hurt their cause.
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You're dealing w the Cia here. They could just as easily peroxide this info to someone with an agreement that it was "leaked."
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They have nothing gain by antagonizing the president elect. If they worried about budgets, antagonizing trump would not help but hurt their cause.
The bureaucracy and Trump are absolutely destined to have an antagonistic relationship. Not sure why you'd expect kumbaya and bygones. That was never in the cards.
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You don't have to be a raving Trump supporter to hate Hillary Clinton.

She earned almost every bit of disdain she's received.
Meh. Much beyond "cuz Benghazi!", "cuz emails!", "cuz letting in Muslim immigrants!", and "cuz taking away our gunz!", I don't think the average working class American who voted for Trump/against Hillary can formulate a coherent, sensible argument as to why they hate her so much. And even on those issues I mentioned they probably can't speak to the topic much beyond the headline. So while there are legit reasons to dislike her, I think for most people they've been "taught" to hate her more than anything.
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Meh. Much beyond "cuz Benghazi!", "cuz emails!", "cuz letting in Muslim immigrants!", and "cuz taking away our gunz!", I don't think the average working class American who voted for Trump/against Hillary can formulate a coherent, sensible argument as to why they hate her so much. And even on those issues I mentioned they probably can't speak to the topic much beyond the headline. So while there are legit reasons to dislike her, I think for most people they've been "taught" to hate her more than anything.
Well in the bulk of her opposition, that's probably the case. But that's probably the case with most oppositions to most candidates. There's a certain percentage of voters that dig into the issues and have hard policy leanings that are either accommodated or violated. In reality though, these elections are decided by the non-ideological. The squishy middle that operates on gut feelings, narratives, or appearances.

Hillary lost the rust belt because she didn't resonate there. And honestly didn't even give it much effort. It had nothing to do with DNC leaks or whether the hardcore ideologues thought Bernie got a fair shake. That's not what decides an election in Ohio or Pennsylvania.
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Meh. Much beyond "cuz Benghazi!", "cuz emails!", "cuz letting in Muslim immigrants!", and "cuz taking away our gunz!", I don't think the average working class American who voted for Trump/against Hillary can formulate a coherent, sensible argument as to why they hate her so much. And even on those issues I mentioned they probably can't speak to the topic much beyond the headline. So while there are legit reasons to dislike her, I think for most people they've been "taught" to hate her more than anything.
Yup. I have no doubt the frothing-at-the-mouth burning hatred of HRC is mostly the result of a successful republican smear campaign. I understand why some people distrust her. I don't understand why some think she's The Devil, unless it's because they're gullible enough to believe the nonsense Clinton conspiracy theories thrown around on the innerwebz.
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