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Old 08-31-2014, 11:24 AM   #26
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JC is (was) that rare scholar of mythology, religion, etc., who "gets it."

I'd like to say that his works should be required reading, but the "pearls before swine" factor prevents me, I'm afraid.
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Old 08-31-2014, 12:35 PM   #27
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Old 08-31-2014, 01:54 PM   #28
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Where is the empirical evidence to support the claim that we will encounter this supreme being, the existence of whom is unsupported by empirical evidence, after death?
Many people claim to have been to heaven during near death experiences, or people who were brought back to life etc etc. My uncle was blow to hell in Korea and was out for 4 days. He claims he saw heaven.

It's either faith or real but either way it comforts people. Without religion men would find something else to fight over. It would probably be even worst.
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Many people claim to have been to heaven during near death experiences, or people who were brought back to life etc etc. My uncle was blow to hell in Korea and was out for 4 days. He claims he saw heaven.
Maybe he did, maybe he didn't. Highly unlikely though, as it's pretty well documented that your brain comes up with all sorts of ****.

Plus, why would a omnipotent being temporarily pull someone into an afterlife? Was he not sure which way things would go and hedged his bets?

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It's either faith or real but either way it comforts people. Without religion men would find something else to fight over. It would probably be even worst.
Religion is a particularly insidious thing to fight over because it's something people have "faith" in, so there's really no way to bring resolution to any conflict sans killing everyone that doesn't have the same faith (see: middle east).

At least if we were fighting over real **** (resources, etc.) there would be some way to resolve our differences.
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Old 08-31-2014, 02:25 PM   #30
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Old 09-01-2014, 08:42 AM   #31
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Even some non religious people have claimed to see heaven in near death experiences. Why would their brains do that if not filled with ideas of religion?
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Old 09-01-2014, 08:45 AM   #32
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Even some non religious people have claimed to see heaven in near death experiences. Why would their brains do that if not filled with ideas of religion?
Indoctrination.
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Old 09-01-2014, 08:48 AM   #33
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I've seen some **** too that wasn't real, but that was back in the 70's in Amsterdam.....haven't seen anything since then.
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Old 09-01-2014, 10:34 AM   #34
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I've seen some **** too that wasn't real, but that was back in the 70's in Amsterdam.....haven't seen anything since then.
That goes without saying. The blind will never see.
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Old 09-01-2014, 10:45 AM   #35
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Even some non religious people have claimed to see heaven in near death experiences. Why would their brains do that if not filled with ideas of religion?
I wonder why they didn't see Hell instead?
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Even some non religious people have claimed to see heaven in near death experiences. Why would their brains do that if not filled with ideas of religion?
Hallucinations are a common occurrence, and are not not rational things. And of course people's heads are filled with ideas of religion. Just like they are filled with ideas of Justin Bieber, TV shows, and anything else that they experience in their life.

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Old 09-01-2014, 05:17 PM   #37
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I wonder why they didn't see Hell instead?
Wrong they do.
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Old 09-01-2014, 05:22 PM   #38
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Hallucinations are a common occurrence, and are not not rational things. And of course people's heads are filled with ideas of religion. Just like they are filled with ideas of Justin Bieber, TV shows, and anything else that they experience in their life.
Nope many non religious have also experienced them. So you're saying people have Justin Beiber dreams when they almost die lol. God just send me to hell.
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Old 09-01-2014, 05:38 PM   #39
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That goes without saying. The blind will never see.

I have seen how fake those who call themselves Christians, Muslims, etc. are/ have been more than on one occasion....
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Wow - quite the compilation.

If I were forced to "join" some religious order or other, it would probably be Buddhism.
You seldom see Buddhists launching crusades or holy wars, and the Buddhist view of the universe in which we live accords in many ways with the understanding of the world revealed to us by modern physics.

There is no Buddhist "God," and the Buddha told his disciples they should question all teachings - including his own!
I agree, I'd be a Buddhist also
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Old 09-01-2014, 11:38 PM   #41
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Every religion is true one way or another. It is true when understood metaphorically. But when it gets stuck in its own metaphors, interpreting them as facts, then you are in trouble.
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Well, the far right is always claiming this is a "Christian Nation" Yet here on the Mane 24 votes, 11 Christians.......
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Well, the far right is always claiming this is a "Christian Nation" Yet here on the Mane 24 votes, 11 Christians.......
...and most of them are probably sunday morning Christians for an hour or two........gotta protect that image.
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Old 09-02-2014, 07:21 AM   #44
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I can tell you what I despise about religion (or at least one of the things I despise); The idea that there is an afterlife which is more important than this life. How much damage has been done, and continues to be done, in the name of that ill-conceived concept?
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Old 09-02-2014, 07:22 AM   #45
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Well, the far right is always claiming this is a "Christian Nation" Yet here on the Mane 24 votes, 11 Christians.......
You don't need a Masters of Applied Statistics to figure out that the active OM WRP crowd is probably something other than tightly representative of the nation at large.
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Old 09-02-2014, 07:27 AM   #46
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I can tell you what I despise about religion (or at least one of the things I despise); The idea that there is an afterlife which is more important than this life. How much damage has been done, and continues to be done, in the name of that ill-conceived concept?
Yeah. Mankind is definitely a better animal when he thinks whatever he can secretly bury in the back yard need never come back to haunt him.

Me? I wish Stalin understood he was going to rot in hell for what he did. Apparently, he was consoled in his brutality by the idea that this fleshly life on earth was the alpha and omega.
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Fortunately, it appears that Americans are beginning to come out of the big sleep:


http://tobingrant.religionnews.com/2...tes-one-graph/
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Yeah. Mankind is definitely a better animal when he thinks whatever he can secretly bury in the back yard need never come back to haunt him.

Me? I wish Stalin understood he was going to rot in hell for what he did. Apparently, he was consoled in his brutality by the idea that this fleshly life on earth was the alpha and omega.
Ah, so you admit the only purpose of the afterlife dogma is to impose guilt? You're making progress. Stalin didn't need dogma to keep his population in line. He had secret police.
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Out of the night that covers me,
Black as the Pit from pole to pole,
I thank whatever gods may be
For my unconquerable soul.

In the fell clutch of circumstance
I have not winced nor cried aloud.
Under the bludgeonings of chance
My head is bloody, but unbowed.

Beyond this place of wrath and tears
Looms but the Horror of the shade,
And yet the menace of the years
Finds, and shall find, me unafraid.

It matters not how strait the gate,
How charged with punishments the scroll.
I am the master of my fate:
I am the captain of my soul.


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Ah, so you admit the only purpose of the afterlife dogma is to impose guilt? You're making progress. Stalin didn't need dogma to keep his population in line. He had secret police.
That's your way of thinking about it, not mine. I could lay out the same 'imposing guilt' yardstick for most of modern progressivism.

But I understand that most progressives wouldn't see it that way. Regardless, my noting a byproduct doesn't render that byproduct exclusive.

You can say mankind is ugly in the name of God. I can say mankind is just as ugly (if not uglier) without him.
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