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Old 03-31-2015, 02:46 PM   #51
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GMOs, chemicals in our food, preservatives, and lack of physical exercise
You forgot overeating. That's probably number one really.
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Not really true. A wife, husband and a few kids roll through McDonalds and it's $20+ for just one meal. That's pretty dumb to do.

You can get all the ingredients necessary to make an awesome McDonalds meal at home for less than $20 and have more meals to make.

Pound of meat (your choice of ground beef, chuck, sirlion, etc.) and can make a family of four four QP burgers, probably make more if you don't make QPers -- $4/5
Low-calorie light italian buns (8 pack) with sesame seeds -- $2.50
Lettuce, Tomatoes, Onions -- $7.50
Bag of russet taters on sale 5 pounds and you slice them up and get creative and bake them after seasoning them and mmm good eats -- $1

That's like less than $15 dollars and you can have more than one meal.
Absolutely, but that takes time, which is part of the cost (both in dollars and in other terms). Economics are a part of the obesity problem, and part of that economic problem is that it's cheaper and/or necessary to make a meal that takes less preparation time.

Say you're a single parent, working two jobs to make ends meet. Which are you more likely to have time for? Stopping @ some hell-hole like McDonalds, or doing all the things necessary to cook meals from scratch?
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Old 03-31-2015, 02:48 PM   #53
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Blaming the problem on a flawed food pyramid makes sense only if people actually followed that food pyramid.

I'm not saying the pyramid is correct. But, most people look at the "grains" section as don't realize that means WHOLE grains, not processed white flour or processed corn products.

So you have two problems:
1.) a bad recommendation
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I do blame it, and the do-gooder government, for the entire "low fat = good for you" fiasco though, based entirely on the pyramid.
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Go to a grocery store. What costs more? Fresh fruits and veggies, or packaged (i.e. processed, sugar filled) foods?
It really depends on the sales. I get really great deals on my produce and it is far much less compared to the frozen/processed/boxed foods.

Why would I pay $8.99 for a Digornio pizza when I can get a lot of good produce for that price that helps make meals for a week instead of one meal for the evening?
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I"m pretty sure all of the "fat free" stuff is garbage for people's bodies.
This where companies, documentaries, health advisors, etc get **** mixed up and make a killing off people.

Being fat and obese is one thing - being unhealthy is another. When you're fat and obese, you're definitely unhealthy. But when you're unhealthy - it doesn't mean you're fat.

You CAN be fat eating healthy, it's just really hard...considering it doesn't taste as good.
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Another post full of excuses.

Even if you ate that cheap processed crap at the right calorie levels, you won't be fat.

Chad Johnson ate McDonalds breakfast as a pregame meal early in his career (during his prime years).

Veggies are cheap - try again.
you probably want to read all my posts in this thread before you start claiming I'm making "excuses".

And (fresh) veggies are certainly not cheap compared to other foods (especially the processed kind). Apparently you don't actually buy your own food.
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I agree with Baja on this one. Dump the wheat and processed foods and the lbs will come off. I highly recommend 2-3 birkam yoga sessions a week and you will lose as much weight as you want. I've seen people drop 50lbs in a couple months.

I'm not sure I'm buying your earthing as the savior to mind and body though baja. You seem stressed out as ever with your continuous battles with posters here. Earth yourself brother. Relax!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Absolutely, but that takes time, which is part of the cost (both in dollars and in other terms). Economics are a part of the obesity problem, and part of that economic problem is that it's cheaper and/or necessary to make a meal that takes less preparation time.

Say you're a single parent, working two jobs to make ends meet. Which are you more likely to have time for? Stopping @ some hell-hole like McDonalds, or doing all the things necessary to cook meals from scratch?
I definitely agree with time being a factor - but I will point back to what I was saying - your kids won't be fat just because you fed them McDonalds.

It's about the calories.

_________ people like to eat until their full and stuffed.
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I eat "fat free" and "sugar free" stuff all the time and I'm single digit bf % and likely in much better shape than anyone posting ITT
That would be absolutely astounding if you were in better shape than me.
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People are fat because they eat too much.

Food is refined and processed because we like easy, sweet and salty.

We got what we wanted. Whats the problem?
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Absolutely, but that takes time, which is part of the cost (both in dollars and in other terms). Economics are a part of the obesity problem, and part of that economic problem is that it's cheaper and/or necessary to make a meal that takes less preparation time.

Say you're a single parent, working two jobs to make ends meet. Which are you more likely to have time for? Stopping @ some hell-hole like McDonalds, or doing all the things necessary to cook meals from scratch?
Cooking good meals from scratch doesn't have to take a lot of time. It just takes effort, initiative and a little creativity in the kitchen.
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You forgot overeating. That's probably number one really.
Yes, calorie restriction is probably the best thing you can do, eating-wise.
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you probably want to read all my posts in this thread before you start claiming I'm making "excuses".

And (fresh) veggies are certainly not cheap compared to other foods (especially the processed kind). Apparently you don't actually buy your own food.
You're actually right, I don't. I have a personal chef that comes once to twice a week to cook me food and bills me after. I look at the receipts though.

What are the "other foods" you're talking about?
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So all talk?
Wouldn't you say the same about yourself?
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And btw - being in the best shape doesn't mean a low body fat % (you obviously won't be high)...

If you really want to see if you're in better shape - you go train with the guy.
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ITT - out of shape people discuss nutrition
Round is a shape.
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Chris Paul - top PG in the NBA. Elite athlete.

His body fat % is definitely well over 10%.
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you probably want to read all my posts in this thread before you start claiming I'm making "excuses".

And (fresh) veggies are certainly not cheap compared to other foods (especially the processed kind). Apparently you don't actually buy your own food.
I do my own shopping and can tell you that I get way more bang for my buck getting fresh veggies, fruits, etc. than people do who get processed foods and it isn't even close.

"Oh, pop is on sale -- 3 twelve packs for 10 bucks!"

I get a **** ton of good food for $10.
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And btw - being in the best shape doesn't mean a low body fat % (you obviously won't be high)...

If you really want to see if you're in better shape - you go train with the guy.
Rev just ran a marathon, and always enjoys posting pics of himself shirtless around here. He's very narcissistic.
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Yes, calorie restriction is probably the best thing you can do, eating-wise.
Yeah it's funny to me that people have these conversations like it's complex or something. Modern processed food is terrible in many ways, but in the end what makes a person fat is eating too much and/or not exercising, because it all really boils down to whether or not you're taking in more calories than you're burning. Processed foods being really high in calories do make this easier to do on accident, but they don't automatically make a person fat on their own.
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Rev just ran a marathon, and always enjoys posting pics of himself shirtless around here. He's very narcissistic.
TheRev and Action teaming up would be an absolutely lethal duo. Not sure it could ever happen.
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Rev just ran a marathon, and always enjoys posting pics of himself shirtless around here.
#1 reason Rev's the only bigger Tebow fan than me around here.
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Yeah it's funny to me that people have these conversations like it's complex or something. Modern processed food is terrible in many ways, but in the end what makes a person fat is eating too much and/or not exercising, because it all really boils down to whether or not you're taking in more calories than you're burning. Processed foods being really high in calories do make this easier to do on accident, but they don't automatically make a person fat on their own.
My wife is quite amazing, she can eat a few bites of whatever and be done and not shovel a ton of food in her mouth - she just turned 35, has 3 kids and weighs 105 and hasn't worked out in years. Doesn't eat anything healthy either. I OTOH have to constantly watch how much I put in and workout 5-6x a week.
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