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![]() 90% into Clash of Kings. SPOILER: ( I just figured, every hero is dying. If you're into that, fine. But I'm not. ) I think the guy is a good writer, he drew me right in SPOILER: ( with the Starks finding the direwolves. Cool. But it's just one stark dying off after another and then after nearly every Stark is killed off you think to yourself, ) "I've got 2 books left of this? Crikey"
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![]() Fedaykin - point taken.SPOILER: ( I'm not patient enough to assume that the kids were alive, especially after their dad bit it at the hands of Cersei's son (from her brother - really? is that a necessary plot line?) maybe I just needed to read longer but the cliffhanger getting you into the 3rd book? I read a lot but this series was too dark and too ugly to be watchable. Plus, you can't watch it with your kids either....what's the point? )
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It's absolutely a necessary plot line -- it's what sets everything in motion. Without that plot line, life just goes on in Westeros (awaiting the return of the white walkers and Danerys anyway). It completely alters the political, military and social order of the seven kingdoms. If you don't like -- that's fine to each his own, but you seem to be deeply misunderstanding a lot about what's going on. Also, a story isn't any good if you can't watch it with your kids? Are you really saying that? Last edited by Fedaykin; 04-29-2012 at 10:41 PM.. |
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![]() I love this saga. I'm 80% into Storm of Swords, and I'm gripped. There's just not enough hours in the day for me right now.
I'm going to be sad when I get to the end of the last book. |
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As for the HBO series, I think they're doing a good job on something I never thought could be brought to life. I disagree that the show is too dark as some other recent posters have opined. I think there are some great life lessons on treachery and overcoming obstacles. Above all else, I find the story one of overcoming adversity, and I fully expect the "good guys" to win in the end. I just like that figuring out whom the good guys are is difficult. |
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![]() I think they are doing an amazing job with the TV adaptation.
Long before Martin wrote GoT, his bread and butter was TV screenplay. When that was over, he was sick and tired of writing within those restraints, so he threw all of them out in GoT which was never intended to make it to any sort of screen. Ironically, here we are, and the writers and producers have to figure out some way to adapt an unadaptable story - - a huge cast, including many young children, incredibly complicated storylines, a deliberately uneven pace, dozens of unique locations that play a major role in the political and military landscape, major characters getting knocked off left and right, lots of gore, lots of FX, characters who have deliberately obscure motives, characters who pop up at one point in the story and then aren't seen or heard from again for thousands of pages and so forth. They've had to somehow streamline this story far more than LotR and get the jist of someone's character across in just one or two scenes that otherwise evolved through multiple chapters in the books. At the same time, they have to add expositions to get across points only slowly implied by the books. Then there's the cast. They can hardly hire an actor to play in one scene this season, and then sit on the sidelines for two years. (Looks like they've already had that problem with Gregor Clegane). All things considered, I'm really impressed with the product. But remember, it's an adaptation, and, by definition, it's not going to be the same. |
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![]() The book sounds a lot more interesting when you lay it out, but the falderal getting to the good parts is a buncha bunk. |
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![]() And the idea that Bill Clinton is Robert Baratheon is offensive to both men. Clinton was a draft-dodger and Robert really only knew war. Clinton is politically brilliant with a reputation for balancing the budget. Robert was politically simple-minded and spent like a mad man. Honestly Robert is Closer to W. than to Clinton.
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I was not aware he was unhappy with how he left Dance though. I thought the cliffhangers were excellent, even though I think we all know where the characters are headed. Did he clarify his regrets? |
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"oh yeah, there they are dog style....just like me and you do, Lizzy" "well, there are wolves in this show, Jim" "lovely form, and say he lasted quite a while there....but how DOES a dwarf do that without a prop, Amanda?" "Great question; let's discuss it at dinner" Seriously, it's vile. I don't want it on my TV. And if the kids DO walk in, (or watch it themselves...because that is what kids do) it's nearly unexplainable....especially the incest. Sorry gang, I'm just calling it as I see it.....opposing opinions in a GOF thread, pray tell? Blasphemy! |
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The POV nature of the books is what makes the entire thing a literary masterwork IMO. Everybody is a good guy and everybody is a bad guy depending on the perspective the story is being told from. The video adaptation cant capture that very well. We'll never get to see how Jamie Lannister views himself and the rationalizations behind his actions in the same way the book describes them in the "Jamie" POV chapters... |
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History must bother you then. Royals marry other royals. Often, they are damn near brother and sister. See Nicholas II of Russia or King Tut. Then in WWI you have the royal houses of Europe engaged in war against one another and nearly all of them were related to Queen Victoria of the UK. The porn w/ family thing...knowing what type of series GoT is I'd be leery of letting anyone under 16 watching it. But even then the show is still not as sex filled as the books are. ![]() |
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![]() I agree with TJ that it's hard to capture the same POV treatment in the series.
There are just some things that books do better. For example, remember all the poems and songs and lineages and legendary background tales that framed Tolkein's LotR. They barely scratched the surface of this stuff in over ten hours of the movie series. Still, there's a lot that can be done on the screen to "color" someone's POV. A kindness here, a quip there, a quick exposition over there, etc. It will be interesting to see how they handle this. |
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I don't like when comedy or drama turns blue. Really, it cheapens the humor and the drama. I would love to watch this drama because the story has a TON of twists and turns that Fedaykin pointed out (which I didn't have the patience to read through until it happened) BUT, when its smutty, it just cheapens the whole show. These actions can be hinted at without a full display of f'ing for you and yours, RIGHT ON YOUR TV......like.....you know |
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You've probably missed out on most of the best television of the last decade in this and several other shows by being so easily offended, so squeamish and so reactionary. |
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![]() I stopped just shy of finishing the first book, haven't seen the television show and don't care to.
Saying that...if someone wants to edit out the nudie parts for Darkhorse30...I'll take them. I'll even discuss them. Last edited by Pendejo; 04-30-2012 at 07:23 PM.. |
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