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Old 11-11-2018, 06:13 PM   #26
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This is how you talk yourself into Christian Ponder, Jake locker, ej Manuel, Blake bortles, Blane gabbert, and yes, Paxton lynch
It's also how you talk yourself into Rodgers, Ben, Luck, Brees, Rivers, Goff, Wentz, Watson, Mahomes, Trubisky, Mayfield, Darnold, Newton, etc.

The draft is risky but it can/does reward you.

Ortons and Keenums will never reward you. They're just an excuse and distraction for a front office that is incapable of evaluating and developing a real solution.
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Old 11-11-2018, 06:15 PM   #27
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It's also how you talk yourself into Rodgers, Ben, Luck, Brees, Rivers, Goff, Wentz, Watson, Mahomes, Trubisky, Mayfield, Darnold, Newton, etc.

The draft is risky but it can/does reward you.

Ortons and Keenums will never reward you.
It's not, actually. There is a difference between taking a blue Chip qb prospect like the ones you listed and obviously reaching in a draft bereft of qb talent.

Taking Wentz at 2 is in no way anomolous to taking ponder at twelve or whatever it was. One was an obvious first round talent. The other was jag taken because the team needed a qb, and t set the franchise back further than waiting a year to take an actual good qb

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Old 11-11-2018, 06:18 PM   #28
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Don’t even care enough to root for them to tank anymore. Football sucks.
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It's not, actually. There is a difference between taking a blue Chip qb prospect like the ones you listed and obviously reaching in a draft bereft of qb talent.

Taking Wentz at 2 is in no way anomolous to taking ponder at twelve or whatever it was. One was an obvious first round talent. The other was jag taken because the team needed a qb, and t set the franchise back further than waiting a year to take an actual good qb
Fair enough. Nowhere in my post did I propose drafting ANY quarterback. But the importance of the position does require prejudice IMO.

Not only do you need to prioritize a QB, but you need to prioritize a GM and scouting dept that can separate Mahomes from Ponder or Lynch.

There is absolutely no reason why Denver couldn't have been in play for Wentz, Mahomes, Watson, or Darnold. Teams do what they need to do. Instead we were signing deadbeat journeyman and wasting time on an immature 6'7 borderline special person.
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It's also how you talk yourself into Rodgers, Ben, Luck, Brees, Rivers, Goff, Wentz, Watson, Mahomes, Trubisky, Mayfield, Darnold, Newton, etc.

The draft is risky but it can/does reward you.

Ortons and Keenums will never reward you. They're just an excuse and distraction for a front office that is incapable of evaluating and developing a real solution.
If there's players like that at the top, sure you take them. But there doesnt appear to be one like that in this draft.
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Old 11-11-2018, 06:29 PM   #31
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Fair enough. Nowhere in my post did I propose drafting ANY quarterback. But the importance of the position does require prejudice IMO.

Not only do you need to prioritize a QB, but you need to prioritize a GM and scouting dept that can separate Mahomes from Ponder or Lynch.

There is absolutely no reason why Denver couldn't have been in play for Wentz, Mahomes, Watson, or Darnold. Instead we were signing deadbeat journeyman and wasting time on an immature 6'7 borderline special person.
We're on the same page here. Completely agree with all this
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It's also how you talk yourself into Rodgers, Ben, Luck, Brees, Rivers, Goff, Wentz, Watson, Mahomes, Trubisky, Mayfield, Darnold, Newton, etc.

The draft is risky but it can/does reward you.

Ortons and Keenums will never reward you. They're just an excuse and distraction for a front office that is incapable of evaluating and developing a real solution.
Half of your list is top 1-2 QB prospects that were not a reach and picked as such, or were steals at the time like Rodgers.

The point is, don't reach just because you need a QB. If there is one that you truly believe in, then fine, but to take a QB just to take a QB, and that is the one that is available is a horrible idea in the early part of the draft if there are studs there at a position of need (LT, DL, CB for Broncos this year).

I think this years QB's will be weak, but next year will be much stronger.
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Old 11-11-2018, 06:36 PM   #33
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If there’s a QB they like, then of course. But if there’s not I’d like us to trade down. So many studs from 15-50, then take a couple of stabs at QB in rounds 2-4.

But realize damn well that we are not tied to that QB.
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Old 11-11-2018, 07:32 PM   #34
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If thereís a QB they like, then of course. But if thereís not Iíd like us to trade down. So many studs from 15-50, then take a couple of stabs at QB in rounds 2-4.

But realize damn well that we are not tied to that QB.
Disagree with that as well. Continue to build talent for when you get a QB you believe in. Paxton and Osweiller were wasted picks that could have gone to positions of need. Broncos need OT, DE, DT, ILB, CB starters for the next 1-2 years and depth at other positions. You can use 5+ round picks on flyers for positions, but you can get starters and good depth in the first 4 rounds.
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Iíll never understand fans hoping their team loses a game....
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Iíll never understand fans hoping their team loses a game....
I'm sick of it. 2 years in a row and 3rd one in recent memory. But with garbage coaching and no QB we're dropping games like crazy. Getting handled by the Jets is a nice reminder where we're at.

We can't control any of this anyway, all we can do is hope for a positive spin, and for some that is couch NFL draft GM. Losing games puts a stain on our franchise though.
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I'm sick of it. 2 years in a row and 3rd one in recent memory. But with garbage coaching and no QB we're dropping games like crazy. Getting handled by the Jets is a nice reminder where we're at.

We can't control any of this anyway, all we can do is hope for a positive spin, and for some that is couch NFL draft GM. Losing games puts a stain on our franchise though.
I hate that the past few years have been bad, but to want the team to lose? If we lose, we lose.... but I always want the Broncos to win every game.
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Gotta assume thereís at least 4 losses still out there (SD x2, Pitt, @Cincy) thatís 6-10 even if they canít find a way to fail against Cle, @SF, and @Oak.

6-10 over the last 5 years has picked:

2013- 9th (just Buffalo)
2014- 8-10
2015- 8-11
2016- 8 and 9
2017- 9-11

They so desperately need to find a way to **** the bed against the 3 remaining crap teams on their schedule.
Or trade down in the first round of the 2019 draft to stock up on ammo for 2020 draft
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Old 11-11-2018, 09:02 PM   #39
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I will say it again. Denver wont be #1 pick this year. At our slot in the draft there is no #1 QB worth going all in after. Qb is very thin in this upcoming draft. But we do need a #3 & a #2 that a team can actually hope behind if the starter goes down.

#2  can be found this draft. We get say a 2nd - 4th round QB and another Sloter Type UDFA.

That way if the first guy stinks, you have a backup for filling #2. Think of it as drafting for a long term backup
on a rookie salary.

Then we go after a better QB from a better draft class next year.if Keenum looses again...

But we need to get a #2 QB on the cheap with upside.... And in my opinion, that is best filled by a rookie. So we can save a few million on cap space to actually use to be better elsewhere.

Tell me you all believe in Hogan $ Grayson over a new draftee... Go on. Do it.
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I'm sick of it. 2 years in a row and 3rd one in recent memory. But with garbage coaching and no QB we're dropping games like crazy. Getting handled by the Jets is a nice reminder where we're at.

We can't control any of this anyway, all we can do is hope for a positive spin, and for some that is couch NFL draft GM. Losing games puts a stain on our franchise though.


Whatís The quickest way to lose the biggest stain on the team? And what is needed for that to happen?

Itís not so much about wanting to lose, as it is about expecting to lose.

None of next draft matters until VJ is gone, and the next HC is here. Then we debate their philosophy, and the players in the draft that fit it.

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I will say it again. Denver wont be #1 pick this year. At our slot in the draft there is no #1 QB worth going all in after. Qb is very thin in this upcoming draft. But we do need a #3 & a #2 that a team can actually hope behind if the starter goes down.

#2  can be found this draft. We get say a 2nd - 4th round QB and another Sloter Type UDFA.

That way if the first guy stinks, you have a backup for filling #2. Think of it as drafting for a long term backup
on a rookie salary.

Then we go after a better QB from a better draft class next year.if Keenum looses again...

But we need to get a #2 QB on the cheap with upside.... And in my opinion, that is best filled by a rookie. So we can save a few million on cap space to actually use to be better elsewhere.

Tell me you all believe in Hogan $ Grayson over a new draftee... Go on. Do it.




They will be right around the same spot as last year. 5th goes with a 5-11 record.
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He'd be content with a "Participation Trophy"

I sort of feel you guys underappreciate how this team is looking in practice. If we could just get consistently-working headsets in games, we might just be on the cusp of going a solid 8-8 one of these seasons.
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It's not, actually. There is a difference between taking a blue Chip qb prospect like the ones you listed and obviously reaching in a draft bereft of qb talent.

Taking Wentz at 2 is in no way anomolous to taking ponder at twelve or whatever it was. One was an obvious first round talent. The other was jag taken because the team needed a qb, and t set the franchise back further than waiting a year to take an actual good qb
Rodgers wasnít seem as a blue chip QB prospect, and most thought Trubisky and Mahomes were reaches.
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We can't take another edge rusher unless there is a HUGE cliff in BPA after a potential edge rusher on our draft board.

CB would be a great idea in this coming draft, but i would apply the same logic to drafting a CB as I would to a first round QB. Don't just take one to take one. You really gotta love a guy.
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Rodgers wasnít seem as a blue chip QB prospect, and most thought Trubisky and Mahomes were reaches.
Rodgers and Smith were jockeying for the first overall pick with Rodgers expected to be the top pick until about a week prior to the draft. Trubisky was a slam dunk 1s rounder. Mahomes did have a lot of questions being an air raid qb

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Rodgers and Smith were jockeying for the first overall pick with Rodgers expected to be the top pick until about a week prior to the draft. Trubisky was a slam dunk 1s rounder. Mahomes did have a lot of questions being an air raid qb
Rodgers fell because the league didnít see him as a blue chip prospect for whatever reason. Trubisky was widely seen as a huge reach at #2. Youíre just making up narratives after the fact. The truth is you just never know which QB prospects will or wonít pan out.
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Rodgers fell because the league didnít see him as a blue chip prospect for whatever reason. Trubisky was widely seen as a huge reach at #2. Youíre just making up narratives after the fact. The truth is you just never know which QB prospects will or wonít pan out.
I'm not sure what you are getting at here. But Rodgers was absolutely considered at 1 by everyone at the time and trubisky was widely considered the top qb prospect for the entire season leading up to the draft process.

Clear difference in taking either of those players who were rated as 1st round picks as opposed to Manuel and ponder who were taken out of necessity.

But if you want to argue the merits of drafting a qb strictly out of necessity, have at it.

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Herbert will see the Raiders picking first and immediately declare that he is staying in school. Itís gonna be great
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In before someone says the inevitable, "This isn't madden, draft picks are worthless and late season, playoff irrelevant wins are important!"
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I'm not sure what you are getting at here. But Rodgers was absolutely considered at 1 by everyone at the time and trubisky was widely considered the top qb prospect for the entire season leading up to the draft process.

Clear difference in taking either of those players who were rated as 1st round picks as opposed to Manuel and ponder who were taken out of necessity.

But if you want to argue the merits of drafting a qb strictly out of necessity, have at it.
Rodgers went 24th overall, so who exactly is this ďeveryoneĒ youíre talking about? And Trubisky was widely considered the best QB in his class, but his class was considered ďweakĒ much like this one. Most analysts saw Chicagoís trade up to take him at #2 as a huge reach. Again, these narratives youíre putting forward are just not true. While it is quite possible, maybe even likely, that we wonít be able to get a franchise QB in this draft, it is far from certain. No one knows how these QBís will pan out.
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