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Old 10-18-2018, 08:53 AM   #51
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Chad Kelly? Lol, what, did he have a good preseason game against the 2nd and 3rd string or something? He is more talented than Keenum? Lol, based on what?
Seriously, you got to be kidding.
"talented"... I think there is no doubt. Better arm strength, more athletic, he received the highest accuracy score in history on that sports science show, etc.

Have you watched Keenum? Keenum may be the better QB overall based on other factors but he has very little talent. I mean his own coach and GM are reduced to "superlatives" like "gritty" and "moxie" to describe the guy.

As far as pure QB and arm talent unequivocally Kelly has more. Now what that is worth in the long run..who knows (Jay Cutler)
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Old 10-18-2018, 08:54 AM   #52
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Yet he was a 7th round pick. If he were regarded that highly he would of went higher. This is a QB desperate league. Someone at ESPN science labs needs a drug test.
Keep dreaming about that. But, as a division rival, I say start him!
And Keenum went undrafted so based on your criteria Kelly is more talented.
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Old 10-18-2018, 09:16 AM   #53
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"talented"... I think there is no doubt. Better arm strength, more athletic, he received the highest accuracy score in history on that sports science show, etc.

Have you watched Keenum? Keenum may be the better QB overall based on other factors but he has very little talent. I mean his own coach and GM are reduced to "superlatives" like "gritty" and "moxie" to describe the guy.

As far as pure QB and arm talent unequivocally Kelly has more. Now what that is worth in the long run..who knows (Jay Cutler)
And what did Zimmer refer to him as? Something about Horseshoe's. In other words, he's just been lucky.
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Old 10-18-2018, 09:49 AM   #54
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Kelly's more talented than Keenum, we'll never know until he gets to play in live games shrugs.

If he can be good or not, but he did play pretty well in preseason, lot of NFL people raved about him.
Lot of players do well in preseason against vanilla defenses...even our scrub backup Geno Smith played well. I think Geno sucks
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Lot of players do well in preseason against vanilla defenses...even our scrub backup Geno Smith played well. I think Geno sucks
Normally i agree but Kelly made alot of NFL level throws but he's still without a doubt more talented than Keenum.

More mobile, better arm talent, better at fitting balls into tight windows and giving receivers a chance to get it. We'll never know until he gets a chance if he does.
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that.. or he'll throw a few picks and shrug like he's annoyed to be there
Considering we only have four interceptions in six games and are 20th in the league in this category, that doesn’t seem very likely...Meanwhile, Rosen has only thrown one interception in his three games as the starter.
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Kelly's more talented than Keenum, we'll never know until he gets to play in live games shrugs.

If he can be good or not, but he did play pretty well in preseason, lot of NFL people raved about him.
No he isn't right now. He may develop to be better than Keenum but he isn't right now. sounds like you're putting a lot of faith in somebody who look good in preseason against second and third stringers but hey I guess that's what you got to go on
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No he isn't right now. He may develop to be better than Keenum but he isn't right now. sounds like you're putting a lot of faith in somebody who look good in preseason against second and third stringers but hey I guess that's what you got to go on
What you don't seem to understand is we don't care about right now. Keenum is the 29th rated QB in the league and this team is going nowhere. Keenum is down there with the Darnolds, Bortles, Allens, Mayfields, Mariotas of the league.

Why would we care if our QB was rated 32nd instead of 29th but actually had theoretical upside instead of being a maxed out 6 year journeyman?

Of course all that is premised on the belief that a team that had 4 of their first 6 games at home winning 2 and is 1-11 in their last 12 road games is not going on some big playoff run.
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Old 10-18-2018, 10:26 AM   #59
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What you don't seem to understand is we don't care about right now. Keenum is the 29th rated QB in the league and this team is going nowhere. Keenum is down there with the Darnolds, Bortles, Allens, Mayfields, Mariotas of the league.

Why would we care if our QB was rated 32nd instead of 29th but actually had theoretical upside instead of being a maxed out 6 year journeyman?

Of course all that is premised on the belief that a team that had 4 of their first 6 games at home winning 2 and is 1-11 in their last 12 road games is not going on some big playoff run.
well Keenum for the most part has been playing from behind which isnt the most comfortable situation. Who you should be down on is John Elway. Asside for making easy decisions like signing Peyton Manning and drafting Von Miller number 2, this is the year he should have drafted a quarterback not another pass rusher. He hasn't made the best decisions as a GM but, he did score with Peyton.
Keenum isn't.your biggest problem, your defense is.
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And in typical fairweather fan fashion, SpaklerDolt shows up after he reads the media reports telling him his travel team is "good" again.
Stickers back on his minivan!
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well Keenum for the most part has been playing from behind which isnt the most comfortable situation. Who you should be down on is John Elway. Asside for making easy decisions like signing Peyton Manning and drafting Von Miller number 2, this is the year he should have drafted a quarterback not another pass rusher. He hasn't made the best decisions as a GM but, he did score with Peyton.
Keenum isn't.your biggest problem, your defense is.
Defense played bad vs the Jets, but other than that, they've been ok imo.

Denver's the only team to even remotely slow down KC and the Rams. Ravens scored 27, Seahawks 24, Raiders 19. Defense has played fine, if Keenum had a pulse, Denver probably beats KC and the Rams, those were winnable games.

Considering the NFL rules in todays game, the offense has scored 27, 20, 14, 23, 20 and 16. Denver has too many weapons to be that bad on offense.

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well Keenum for the most part has been playing from behind which isnt the most comfortable situation. Who you should be down on is John Elway. Asside for making easy decisions like signing Peyton Manning and drafting Von Miller number 2, this is the year he should have drafted a quarterback not another pass rusher. He hasn't made the best decisions as a GM but, he did score with Peyton.
Keenum isn't.your biggest problem, your defense is.
Yes I am down on Elway, as a 7-15 run would warrant.

Keenum is our biggest problem though looking forward. As in, lack of a QB in the NFL will doom you and he is playing like a rookie and has been the biggest weak spot on offense.

Joe Woods sucks and the defense has regressed majorly but in the losses the Keenum lead offense has scored 14, 23, 16 and 20 points.
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at least charger fans are still happy keesum is starting
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And in typical fairweather fan fashion, SpaklerDolt shows up after he reads the media reports telling him his travel team is "good" again.
Stickers back on his minivan!
Nothing to do with it. I don't think we are winning any Superbowl this year but we are making progress. I'm pretty fair and I don't come here to talk smack. Just stating what I believe to be true. Many here thought Tebow was a good QB while I said he wasn't. I just think your homering for Kelly who won't be much more than a backup Elway screwed you in the QB department by not drafting a QB when you had the fifth pick.

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Nothing to do with it. I don't think we are winning any Superbowl this year but we are making progress. I'm pretty fast and I don't come here to talk smack. Just stating what I believe to be true. Many here thought Tebow was a good QB while I said he wasn't. I just think your homering for Kelly who won't be much more than a backup Elway screwed you in the QB department by not drafting a QB when you had the fifth pick.
Odds are Kelly wont pan out, but what we do know is that Keenum isnt it. Denver needs to see for better or worse what they have in Kelly before taking one in the next draft or two.

The team isnt winning anything this year, they should be evaluating young players to see what they have.

It's also easy to say signing Peyton was easy but he sold Peyton coming to Denver. It's also easy to say Von was an easy pick at 2 but most wanted Dareus due to our DT situaton at the time. And Peterson, among some others. Wasnt an easy pick.

Regarding Kelly, can we at least find out if he's any good or not, we know what Keenum is.

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Nothing to do with it. I don't think we are winning any Superbowl this year but we are making progress. I'm pretty fast and I don't come here to talk smack. Just stating what I believe to be true. Many here thought Tebow was a good QB while I said he wasn't. I just think your homering for Kelly who won't be much more than a backup Elway screwed you in the QB department by not drafting a QB when you had the fifth pick.
Who cares what you think?
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Nothing to do with it. I don't think we are winning any Superbowl this year but we are making progress. I'm pretty fast and I don't come here to talk smack. Just stating what I believe to be true. Many here thought Tebow was a good QB while I said he wasn't. I just think your homering for Kelly who won't be much more than a backup Elway screwed you in the QB department by not drafting a QB when you had the fifth pick.
Eh, I'm not all that confident josh Allen will amount to much. I do like Rosen better, but putting a magical number 5 draft slot next to a QB doesn't make him good.

Also, as someone who ****ing hates revisionist history, Elway does deserve credit for Manning and Von. First off, yes, it's easy to want Manning, but Elway sold him on Denver. As for Von, though many wanted him here, there were many, many, many, many who wanted Marcel Dareus or Patrick Peterson.

Oh, and Keenum sucks. Part of the reason we play from behind is because he sucks. Maybe he'll get it together, but I can't imagine him ever being all that great. Who knows what Kelly will be. Maybe he will suck. But can we please find out?
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well Keenum for the most part has been playing from behind which isnt the most comfortable situation. Who you should be down on is John Elway. Asside for making easy decisions like signing Peyton Manning and drafting Von Miller number 2, this is the year he should have drafted a quarterback not another pass rusher. He hasn't made the best decisions as a GM but, he did score with Peyton.
Keenum isn't.your biggest problem, your defense is.
Which tends to happen when a QB can't get the job done on 3rd downs and in the red zone.
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Mmm... this is pretty

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No he isn't right now. He may develop to be better than Keenum but he isn't right now. sounds like you're putting a lot of faith in somebody who look good in preseason against second and third stringers but hey I guess that's what you got to go on


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Peyton is perfect for something like this.


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Mmm... this is pretty

I just watched the Peyton detail thing. Pretty interesting.

He applauds Rosen's throw on this play, but comments that it's the wrong read. He should have hit Fitzgerald on the cross and it probably goes for a TD.
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That Chubb pick is looking really freaking good right now. 6.5 sacks so far.
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That Chubb pick is looking really freaking good right now. 6.5 sacks so far.
Again, the pick always looked good. The difference is the sacks are coming now. He was playing the run pretty well and adjusting to being an OLB.

The stats weren't coming because of the scheme dropping him into coverage along with Von.
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Again, the pick always looked good. The difference is the sacks are coming now. He was playing the run pretty well and adjusting to being an OLB.

The stats weren't coming because of the scheme dropping him into coverage along with Von.
Nobody was playing the run pretty well prior to Arizona.
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