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Old 02-16-2018, 11:00 PM   #26
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I know what goes on. I know what is being charged right now.

China
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Just out of these six countries (I could add more) Who has the least amount of influence on our national politics and foreign policy.

let's see if you get this correct
Sorry, I'm not into your little games.

You're in for a very rude awakening if you think this is 1) a vindication for Rump, and 2) anywhere near completion.

We both know you didn't read the indictment.
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Old 02-16-2018, 11:06 PM   #27
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Sorry, I'm not into your little games.

You're in for a very rude awakening if you think this is 1) a vindication for Rump, and 2) anywhere near completion.

We both know you didn't read the indictment.
Answer the question if you can

can you?
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Old 02-16-2018, 11:09 PM   #28
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Answer the question if you can

can you?
Not interested, don't care what your echo chamber told you.

We both know you didn't read the indictment.
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How much did Mitch McConnell know about Russian interference and when did he know it?

Now seems like a good time to revisit how Republican leadership in Congress knew about Russian interference in the 2016 presidential election in the summer and fall of that year. Specifically, the part about how intelligence officials briefed leadership about their knowledge of Russia's efforts to help Donald Trump, and how Senate Leader Mitch McConnell actively suppressed that information before the election.
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"The Dems were, 'Hey, we have to tell the public,'" recalled one participant. But Republicans resisted, arguing that to warn the public that the election was under attack would further Russia's aim of sapping confidence in the system.

Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.) went further, officials said, voicing skepticism that the underlying intelligence truly supported the White House's claims. Through a spokeswoman, McConnell declined to comment, citing the secrecy of that meeting. […]

A week later, McConnell and other congressional leaders issued a cautious statement that encouraged state election officials to ensure their networks were "secure from attack." The release made no mention of Russia and emphasized that the lawmakers "would oppose any effort by the federal government" to encroach on the states' authorities.
In light of these indictments, based in part on evidence that the intelligence community had before the election and presented to Republican leadership, there are a lot more questions now.

Like what did Mitch McConnell know and when did he know it?
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Old 02-17-2018, 03:29 AM   #30
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How much did Paul Ryan know about Russia's election interference and when did he know it?

House Speaker Paul Ryan is shocked! Shocked at the "extent of the subterfuge" Russia undertook to meddle in our election in 2016. That's what he says, anyway, in response to the indictments handed down against 13 Russians.

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"We have known that Russians meddled in the election, but these indictments detail the extent of the subterfuge. These Russians engaged in a sinister and systematic attack on our political system. It was a conspiracy to subvert the process, and take aim at the democracy itself. Today's announcement underscores why we need to follow the facts and work to protect the integrity of future elections."
There's so much to unpack in these four sentences. First "these Russians"—as though these 13 Russians were representing an effort on behalf of Putin to get Trump elected. Second, "we need to follow the facts." So, Mr. Ryan, why are you continuing to protect Rep. Devin Nunes, the Trump transition official who is working overtime to create smokescreens and diversions away from Russian interference in the election and, yes, the Trump campaign?

And your shock at the "sinister and systematic attack"? Like you didn't already know about this? Like you weren't getting briefed on it in "urgent, individual" briefings from then-CIA Director John Brennan beginning in August 2016?

Like you hadn't had a secret meeting with your leadership team in June 2016 when you all "joked" about whether or not Trump was in Putin's payroll? And your response was "No leaks! […] This is how we know we’re a real family here." That was the same meeting where they all talked about the "sophisticated" and "maniacal" interference by Russian in Ukraine and Western Europe and the goddamned Russian hack into the DNC.

Paul Ryan knew in 2016, before the election, that Russia was interfering and he knew very well the dangers that posed to our democracy. And right now, Ryan is doing his level best to help Nunes cover it up.
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No Russian Collusion - Trump Vindicated

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You posting Hannity and other Faux news puppets is just ridiculous. They have no credibility. I don’t link to Huffpost for the same reason.
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You posting Hannity and other Faux news puppets is just ridiculous. They have no credibility. I don’t link to Huffpost for the same reason.
When that idiot isn't posting from Infowars, he's posting from Hannity. Probably the two worst sources of information out there. It's so laughably dumb that I really hope it's just a parody of some sort.
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Old 02-17-2018, 07:32 AM   #35
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Talk about a 'nothingburger'.

End result No Trump Russian Collusion. What a shocker!

Everything else is bull****.
Are you always this willfully ignorant?
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Old 02-17-2018, 07:33 AM   #36
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Are you always this willfully ignorant?
Yes he is
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When that idiot isn't posting from Infowars, he's posting from Hannity. Probably the two worst sources of information out there. It's so laughably dumb that I really hope it's just a parody of some sort.
How about this one...

http://www.theamericanconservative.c...2016-election/

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Steele, who is British, did far more than simply provide opposition research to the Democratic National Committee. He was able to make sure it reached the most influential people possible in politics, media and government to shape and influence the growing narrative of the 2016 presidential election. In other words, as a skilled professional intelligence officer, Steele ran a full-spectrum information operation against the United States. One could even call it information warfare.

This is what separates his work creating the dossier (which a decent journalist with friends in Russia could have done) from his work insinuating the dossier into the highest reaches of American government and political society. For that, you need a real pro, an intelligence officer with decades of experience running just that kind of operation. Looking for foreign interference in the 2016 election? Let’s take a closer look at Christopher Steele.
Whole thing is worth a read, if you haven't read it already.
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Also it’s three convictions now since Gates flipped

Haha it’s incredible that people think there was no collusion when manafort, Flynn, and Page were once involved in the campaign. I think Trump is too much of a dumbass to directly collude, but I’d bet my life that the campaign did. And thanks to Donald jr (arguably the worlds biggest dumbass) we know they wanted in on it.

If you follow the timeline, it’s pretty easy to see they did.

As said, in 50 years, historians will wonder why it was ever a question. Of course there was collusion. Donald Trump is a lifelong criminal and surrounds himself with criminals

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It’s his public school education
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Also it’s three convictions now since Gates flipped

Haha it’s incredible that people think there was no collusion when manafort, Flynn, and Page were once involved in the campaign. I think Trump is too much of a dumbass to directly collude, but I’d bet my life that the campaign did. And thanks to Donald jr (arguably the worlds biggest dumbass) we know they wanted in on it.

If you follow the timeline, it’s pretty easy to see they did.

As said, in 50 years, historians will wonder why it was ever a question. Of course there was collusion. Donald Trump is a lifelong criminal and surrounds himself with criminals
Or more likely he was lazy and hired a few shady scrubs who had some unsavory ties. Hardly the only ones in DC, or even Presidential politics, as we've seen again and again.
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Or more likely he was lazy and hired a few shady scrubs who had some unsavory ties. Hardly the only ones in DC, or even Presidential politics, as we've seen again and again.
A few?
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A few?
Just shady, or with Russian ties?
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Or more likely he was lazy and hired a few shady scrubs who had some unsavory ties. Hardly the only ones in DC, or even Presidential politics, as we've seen again and again.
How is this a ****ing excuse? Regardless of his intentions these people colluded. Also, trumps been part of a Russian money laundering scheme forever. It’s pretty obvious. This guy should be removed immediately

Also, how those sanctions coming?
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Amazingly, in the indictment, there are direct quotes from some of the perpetrators. How did Mueller get those? The detail is astounding. This document is foundational since it now will be the reference for further, future indictments. It establishes the crime. Now we will see the American criminals. Dotard Don and his offspring will get the booby prize for obstruction and conspiracy.
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How is this a ****ing excuse? Regardless of his intentions these people colluded. Also, trumps been part of a Russian money laundering scheme forever. It’s pretty obvious. This guy should be removed immediately

Also, how those sanctions coming?
He's a dirtbag, sure. But I doubt he ever made $500,000 for an hour of his time.
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Does Mueller Indictment Mean Clinton Campaign Can Be Indicted for Chris Steele?

Special Counsel Robert Mueller indicted foreign citizens for trying to influence the American public about an election because those citizens did not register as a foreign agent nor record their financial expenditures to the Federal Elections Commission.

First, if Mueller’s theory is correct, three things make Steele a criminal: first, he is a foreign citizen; second, he tried to influence an election, which he received payments to do (including from the FBI itself); and third, he neither registered as a foreign agent nor listed his receipts and expenditures to the Federal Election Commission. Also, according to the FBI, along the way, Steele lied…a lot, while the dossier he disseminated contained its own lies based on bought-and-paid for smears from foreign sources reliant on rumors and innuendo.

Second, if Mueller’s theory is correct, three things make FusionGPS a criminal co-conspirator: it knew Steele was a foreign citizen; it knew, and paid, Steele to influence an election; and it knew, and facilitated, Steele neither registering as a foreign agent nor reporting his funding from the Democratic National Committee and the Clinton campaign to the Federal Election Commission.

Third, if Mueller’s theory is correct, then three things make PerkinsCoie a potential target: it knew Steele was a foreign citizen; it knew, and paid, Steele to influence an election; and it knew, and facilitated, Steele neither registering as a foreign agent nor reporting his funding from the Democratic National Committee and the Clinton campaign to the Federal Election Commission, by disguising its receipt of payments from the Clinton campaign as a “legal expense.”

Fourth, if Mueller’s theory is correct, then three things make the DNC a potential target: it knew Steele was a foreign citizen; it knew, and paid, Steele to influence an election; and it knew, and facilitated, Steele neither registering as a foreign agent nor reporting his funding from the Democratic National Committee and the Clinton campaign to the Federal Election Commission, by disguising its payments to Steele as laundered legal expenses to a law firm.

Fifth, if Mueller’s theory is correct, three things make the Clinton Campaign a potential target: it knew Steele was a foreign citizen; it knew, and paid, Steele to influence an election; and it knew, and facilitated, Steele neither registering as a foreign agent nor reporting his funding from the Clinton campaign to the Federal Election Commission, by disguising its funding of payments to Steele laundered through a law firm as a “legal expense.”


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The question is WHY they bothered indicting a bunch of Russians they can never try. Probably to establish that a crime occurred

Mueller chose his targets because he knows they will never appear in court, never contest the charges, and cannot be arrested or extradited as Russian citizens. Mueller’s unprecedented prosecution raises three novel arguments: first, that speaking out about American politics requires a foreign citizen to register under the Foreign Agents Registration Act; second, that speaking out about American politics requires a foreign citizen list their source and expenditure of funding to the Federal Election Commission; and third, that mistakes on visa applications constitute “fraud” on the State Department. All appear to borrow from the now-discredited “honest services” theories Mueller’s team previously used in corporate and bribery cases, cases the Supreme Court overturned for their unconstitutional vagueness. The indictment raises serious issues under the free speech clause of the First Amendment and due process rights under the Fifth Amendment.

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There's ALREADY been two convictions....

Three actually, counting Richard Pinedo. Soon to be four when Gates enters a guilty plea later this month.
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He's a dirtbag, sure. But I doubt he ever made $500,000 for an hour of his time.
Hillary being a criminal does not have any bearing on whether or not the Trump administration is guilty on multiple levels. You need to learn to separate the two and not resort to "but Hillary!" every time stuff comes out about Trump. And the prosecution was ham handed handling the OJ case. That didn't make him any less guilty, either. But you're here constantly saying the glove doesn't fit. Pull back a little and look at this from a different perspective.
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