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Old 03-17-2018, 08:38 AM   #1
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Lefties and Righties alike, make your case here. There are thoughtful people who believe that evidence must be considered to evaluate Trumps involvement with Russian government to assist him with election-related mudslinging against Hillary Clinton. I am all for digging into facts in this case and making a conclusion based on those facts.

So, to do this in an interesting way there has to be some rules.

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Mueller is making the case. It's okay. I'm patient.
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he doesn't go down for collusion he goes down for obstruction of justice and/or money laundering.
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Old 03-17-2018, 10:10 AM   #6
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he doesn't go down for collusion he goes down for obstruction of justice and/or money laundering.
So you kids are finally letting go of the fake Russia Collusion story?

Fo realzzzzz now?
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he doesn't go down for collusion he goes down for obstruction of justice and/or money laundering.
He may well go down for all three, and more as well.

The reason no "evidence" exists on collusion (so far) is because the special counsel is not telling us what he knows.

This idea that information is going to be made public and flung out there for the consumption of the media and the country before it's presented in a legal proceeding is sheer foolishness. Any idiot can see what was happening, and if no smoking gun has been revealed, it's because Mueller isn't stupid enough to jeopardize the case.

Take a good look at the Facebook data breach thread I just posted. You might find the information about who was behind it, and the connections behind that very interesting.
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Old 03-17-2018, 11:15 AM   #9
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So you kids are finally letting go of the fake Russia Collusion story?

Fo realzzzzz now?
Why don't you give us your detailed account of why it's fake news?
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Why don't you give us your detailed account of why it's fake news?
Don't bother them. They're trying to put together another Benghazi investigation.
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he doesn't go down for collusion he goes down for obstruction of justice and/or money laundering.
This. Collusion is not necessary a crime. Obstruction of justice and/or money laundering and everything after that, like a coverup e.g., is...
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Why don't you give us your detailed account of why it's fake news?

Are you still clutching your fake collusion narrative? Why?
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Why don't you give us your detailed account of why it's fake news?
So... you want a detailed account of something that isn't real?

Think about what you just said.
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Why don't you give us your detailed account of why it's fake news?
Don't encourage this peabrain. It's mind-bendingly stupid that anyone who's even mildly paying attention to all this thinks there is "no evidence". The fact is, there is MASSIVE evidence. We're literally drowning in it, and it's permeating every news cycle, not to mention the blatantly obvious fact that the traitorous dictator is STILL in collusion with the Russians even now, easily apparent by his actions.

What these morons really mean when they say this is, "Show us the smoking gun that slams the cell door shut", and THAT is not even available to public scrutiny at this point. The guy investigating all this knows a thousand times more than this idiot does, and like someone else already said, let's wait till he gets ready to move on it.

Meanwhile...the entire country is being raped by this criminal, and he should be impeached and prosecuted just for what he's already done, as well as the fact that he's mentally unstable, completely incompetent, and probably quite insane.
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We don't ave to prove" collusion. It is not a legally defined crime. What we have is a pretty good shot at Obstruction of Justice, Witness Tampering, Conspiracy to defraud the U.S., Money Laundering, and general Ignorance.

The Trump Tower episode and the resulting cover up attempts are clear obstruction acts.
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We don't ave to prove" collusion. It is not a legally defined crime. What we have is a pretty good shot at Obstruction of Justice, Witness Tampering, Conspiracy to defraud the U.S., Money Laundering, and general Ignorance.

The Trump Tower episode and the resulting cover up attempts are clear obstruction acts.
Collusion is a value-free word apart from context, and collusion with a foreign power to steal an election is a crime. Earmarking the word "collusion" as a red herring based on legal technicalities that have no relevance in this discussion is misleading in the extreme. The fact is, if Rump did "collude" with the Russians to violate the law, he's guilty of criminal acts. That's got nothing to do with the generic use of the word "collusion" applied apart from that context, which is what the Rump cultists want us to believe.

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Collusion is not a federal crime (except in the unique case of antitrust law), so we should all just stop using “collusion” as a short-hand for criminality. But that doesn’t mean that the alleged cooperation between the Trump campaign and Russia is of no criminal interest. To the contrary, if true, it may have violated any number of criminal prohibitions.
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The thread title is just one more piece of evidence (in case anyone needs one) that moRon lives inside a right-wing media bubble where the only "news" that gets through comes from Sean Hannity, Alex Jones and other propagandists and conspiracy fruitcakes.
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Don't encourage this peabrain. It's mind-bendingly stupid that anyone who's even mildly paying attention to all this thinks there is "no evidence". The fact is, there is MASSIVE evidence. We're literally drowning in it, and it's permeating every news cycle, not to mention the blatantly obvious fact that the traitorous dictator is STILL in collusion with the Russians even now, easily apparent by his actions.

What these morons really mean when they say this is, "Show us the smoking gun that slams the cell door shut", and THAT is not even available to public scrutiny at this point. The guy investigating all this knows a thousand times more than this idiot does, and like someone else already said, let's wait till he gets ready to move on it.

Meanwhile...the entire country is being raped by this criminal, and he should be impeached and prosecuted just for what he's already done, as well as the fact that he's mentally unstable, completely incompetent, and probably quite insane.
Show a single piece of evidence. And then show intent.

Come on girl... I dare you.

I double dog dare you. Let's see what you got.
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Show a single piece of evidence. And then show intent.
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This idiot thinks highly-placed government officials and consultants who can afford the best lawyers money can buy plead guilty and seek plea deals when there's no evidence against them.



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Are you still clutching your fake collusion narrative? Why?
Donald J. Trump.

Didn't think you had anything for why it's not real. It's just something you cling to, and hope for, you have no real reason not to believe it.
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So...lots of spam, conjecture, and political posturing but not one of you can actually make the case?

Are we supposed to believe you when you yourself cannot produce evidence?
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This. Collusion is not necessary a crime. Obstruction of justice and/or money laundering and everything after that, like a coverup e.g., is...
So now you kids finally admit that it was all just a witch hunt after all under the guise of a made up 'collusion' charge that wouldn't be illegal anyway.

Sorta like... we don't want ALL the guns... just the scary looking ones.... AND OK.... ALL THE REST WHILE WERE AT IT I GUESS. thank you very much.
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Show a single piece of evidence. And then show intent.

Come on girl... I dare you.

I double dog dare you. Let's see what you got.
I'm not interested in repeating myself simply because you lack the mental capacity to understand what I already said.
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