This Defense is NASTY

[pricejj]

Originally Posted by fontaine

Our base lineman of Knighton/Vickerson/Wolfe don't beat their guys when it comes to pass rush

Malik Jackson especially was getting pressure from all angles, inside, stunting outside, at DE where he nearly destroyed Vick on one play only for him to duck under Jackson.

Hold on there Cowboy.

1. Malik Jackson only had a few plays from DE, and didn't do anything there. In fact, he did not play contain on the edge leading to a long gain in the 1st quarter. Jackson would not play at DE again the rest of the game.

2. After that, Jackson played exclusively at 3-tech. He drew a double-team 2 times on probably about 20 snaps (contrast that that to Wolfe who is double-teamed about half the time when he plays at 3-tech).

3. Jackson showed sporadic effort against the run, and in fact finished the game with ZERO tackles and ZERO measurable stats.

4. That's not to say Malik Jackson didn't have a decent game. I give him credit for 3 pressures on the QB, while getting penetration on 2 other snaps.

5. Most of Jackson's pressures/penetration came while looping outside the OT from the 3-tech position, where the OG would just let him go expecting another player to pick him up (bad communication). I only counted one play (the OG tackled Jackson from the back), where Jackson squarely beat his man. It was a great play, and caused a penalty which forced the Eagles out of FG range.

6. To claim that Wolfe isn't a good pass-rusher is pure fallacy. Wolfe did not get a single snap from 3-tech against the Eagles. He played at DE the entire game, recording 2 tackles and 1 sack. I've stated many times before that Wolfe is not an impact pass-rusher at DE (too slow), however, he is getting better at setting the edge, and did record a sack. No doubt matching up against OT's every snap is making Wolfe even better.

In any event, once Miller gets back, Wolfe will once again go back to getting the majority of his snaps at 3-tech. At 3-tech, Wolfe is pretty much unstoppable. He recorded 6 sacks from 3-tech in 2012, and is much more explosive this year.

A pass-rushing DL of Miller, Jackson, Wolfe, and Phillips WILL collapse the pocket with reckless abandon. Each player would be put in a position that they can consistently beat their man.

[R8R H8R]

I see "flashes" of nasty, but not consistent nasty; not yet. However, I also see a soft under belly at times too. It seems this defense goes into a soft zone at times that tends to give a lot of room to the WR to get open and the QB a lot of time to find him. Miller will do wonders to shore this up; Champ too I suspect.

But they, like the offense, makes superb 2nd half adjustments.

Btw, I could be wrong, but it seems like Irving gets into the backfield for a TFL at least once a game, sometimes more. He really is playing nasty for the limited reps he gets. Not sure why he is so limited in snaps, but I would really like to see more.

[fontaine]

Originally Posted by Kaylore

Von hits from the bong.

[fontaine]

Originally Posted by pricejj

Hold on there Cowboy.

1. Malik Jackson only had a few plays from DE, and didn't do anything there. In fact, he did not play contain on the edge leading to a long gain in the 1st quarter. Jackson would not play at DE again the rest of the game.

2. After that, Jackson played exclusively at 3-tech. He drew a double-team 2 times on probably about 20 snaps (contrast that that to Wolfe who is double-teamed about half the time when he plays at 3-tech).

3. Jackson showed sporadic effort against the run, and in fact finished the game with ZERO tackles and ZERO measurable stats.

4. That's not to say Malik Jackson didn't have a decent game. I give him credit for 3 pressures on the QB, while getting penetration on 2 other snaps.

5. Most of Jackson's pressures/penetration came while looping outside the OT from the 3-tech position, where the OG would just let him go expecting another player to pick him up (bad communication). I only counted one play (the OG tackled Jackson from the back), where Jackson squarely beat his man. It was a great play, and caused a penalty which forced the Eagles out of FG range.

6. To claim that Wolfe isn't a good pass-rusher is pure fallacy. Wolfe did not get a single snap from 3-tech against the Eagles. He played at DE the entire game, recording 2 tackles and 1 sack. I've stated many times before that Wolfe is not an impact pass-rusher at DE (too slow), however, he is getting better at setting the edge, and did record a sack. No doubt matching up against OT's every snap is making Wolfe even better.

In any event, once Miller gets back, Wolfe will once again go back to getting the majority of his snaps at 3-tech. At 3-tech, Wolfe is pretty much unstoppable. He recorded 6 sacks from 3-tech in 2012, and is much more explosive this year.

A pass-rushing DL of Miller, Jackson, Wolfe, and Phillips WILL collapse the pocket with reckless abandon. Each player would be put in a position that they can consistently beat their man.

Dude, you're pretty much saying what I just said. Wolfe isn't an impact pass rusher and Jackson had a good game attacking the back field (I didn't mention anything about his play against the run).

[DenverBrit]

Originally Posted by Agamemnon

I was referring to the first half. And I stand by what I said.

Were you?

You do?

E Mail Elway and tell him about yourself and your expertise, he'll be impressed.

[Gutless Drunk]

“@I_am_not_Dyl: My boi @Millerlite40 must be feeling the itch! 2 more weeks”----> pic.twitter.com/qxvPeC83fv

— Von Miller (@Millerlite40) October 6, 2013

[pricejj]

Originally Posted by fontaine

Dude, you're pretty much saying what I just said. Wolfe isn't an impact pass rusher and Jackson had a good game attacking the back field (I didn't mention anything about his play against the run).

Wolfe is an impact pass-rusher at 3-tech.

[OBF1]

Hey Rev... Is this "garbage time" Like I have been saying this D is not as good as most of you think. They have stopped ZERO so far. Missing tackles, making Romo look all pro so far.

Flame away defense homers

[Agamemnon]

This is the first game they've played where they have been straight up bad. I hope it's an anomaly.

[OBF1]

400 yards + 33 points and they are in the 3rd qtr. Like I have been saying all along, they are WAY over rated. Nasty no, great? not even close to good. Imagine what Rodgers or Brees would do to this defense. There is a ton of work to do here.

[BroncosfanGuy]

Bob Slowik put this gameplan together, right? right?

[enjolras]

With regards to the thread title.

[rmsanger]

Good luck getting the USC job JACK.

[fontaine]

This is a repeat of the Baltimore game. No pressure in the 2nd half, offense taking a break and the our secondary taking turns getting burnt.

Do we even have safeties on the field?

[OBF1]

Bottom line... They are not good. Peyton is the only reason they are not the joke of the NFL

[snowspot66]

Pretty bad game. Worst in a long time.

We're we without Harris and Woodyard for most of the game?

[UberBroncoMan]

Originally Posted by snowspot66

Pretty bad game. Worst in a long time.

We're we without Harris and Woodyard for most of the game?

A big chunk yes. However, we were still pretty ****ty when they were in it.

We're probably going to rest them this coming week sings the Jags at home are basically a Bye Week.

Indy is when everyone comes back.

[snowspot66]

Originally Posted by UberBroncoMan

A big chunk yes. However, we were still pretty ****ty when they were in it.

We're probably going to rest them this coming week sings the Jags at home are basically a Bye Week.

Indy is when everyone comes back.

They did well in the 2nd. Guys went out and the second half was a disaster. Lots of stuff to fix. Fortunately just getting guys back will fix most of it.

[DivineLegion]

Originally Posted by snowspot66

Pretty bad game. Worst in a long time.

We're we without Harris and Woodyard for most of the game?

Dave Logan said it was the worst performance in terms of passing yards allowed in Broncos history.

[B-Large]

Why was DRC 8 yards behind Dez on that last TD

[M-G]

Missing best 4 players. There will be better days. Here's to hoping Wood, Harris, Champ and Von are out there first practice after the bye.

[oubronco]

Originally Posted by B-Large

Why was DRC 8 yards behind Dez on that last TD

Probably a double move but Dez is a fast sucka too

[lookin' glass]

Either the Broncos don't have a guy or guys that can collapse the pocket consistently from the front four or they are not training them right.

[DENVERDUI55]

I have been mentioning it for weeks that the DL is not CONSISTENTLY beating the offensive line one on one battles in the pass game. I know someone will point out they had 4 sacks or whatever they had but Romo had all day to throw. Its been mentioned that the pass D would be exposed when they play a good passing qb. Thankfully it doesn't really matter when the offense scores 51 but Von is missed.

[SonOfLe-loLang]

I know everyone is calling the jags a bye week, but if we are down those 4 guys again, anyone can move it against us