What Can We Do Better? - Page 2 - The Orange Mane

Swedish Extrovert · 11-15-2012, 08:22 PM

Our TE play on defense leaves a lot to be desired.

ScottXray · 11-15-2012, 08:39 PM

Biggest worry for me is the poor run game. We have been trending downward over the last 3 games and McGahees fumbles aren't helping. Secure the rock. And try some toss-sweeps to get the youngun to the outside, especially to the right side, as Clady doesn't do well on sweeps. Beadles is doing well on those types of plays.

Kuper will help when back, but we need to punch over those 3rd and shorts, so put Green in on Two TE sets when its a run called.

Play action more on 1st down also would help.

Like others I'd like to see a complete game without turning it over.

This week would be a good time to start.

Swedish Extrovert · 11-15-2012, 08:55 PM

The Pats have killer TEs, and I don't see us getting past the Pats until we get a mike that can cover.

baja · 11-15-2012, 09:12 PM

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Originally Posted by ScottXray

Biggest worry for me is the poor run game. We have been trending downward over the last 3 games and McGahees fumbles aren't helping. Secure the rock. And try some toss-sweeps to get the youngun to the outside, especially to the right side, as Clady doesn't do well on sweeps. Beadles is doing well on those types of plays.

Kuper will help when back, but we need to punch over those 3rd and shorts, so put Green in on Two TE sets when its a run called.

Play action more on 1st down also would help.

Like others I'd like to see a complete game without turning it over.

This week would be a good time to start.

I too am concerned about the running game.

I may be the only guy on this board that would like to see KM get another shot.

Bronco Boy · 11-15-2012, 09:25 PM

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Originally Posted by baja

Ask Peyton Manning if he needs a running game.

Not sure how this is a good argument. How can I ask him? Even if I did have him on speed dial, obviously the diplomatic answer is of course every team needs a running game. The reality, however, is that a good D and a good passing offense is what's needed to win Super Bowls. Having a good run game, while nice, really doesn't have much effect on long term success deep into the playoffs.

baja · 11-15-2012, 09:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Bronco Boy

Not sure how this is a good argument. How can I ask him? Even if I did have him on speed dial, obviously the diplomatic answer is of course every team needs a running game. The reality, however, is that a good D and a good passing offense is what's needed to win Super Bowls. Having a good run game, while nice, really doesn't have much effect on long term success deep into the playoffs.

OK listen to what he says here about how important the running game is;

http://www.orangemane.com/BB/showthread.php?t=108743

baja · 11-15-2012, 09:33 PM

What is the number one coach speak line?

'"You have to be able to run the football to win in this league"

Bronco Boy · 11-15-2012, 09:36 PM

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Originally Posted by baja

OK listen to what he says here about how important the running game is;

http://www.orangemane.com/BB/showthread.php?t=108743

He says you need 3 or 4 yard runs to set up the play action. Pretty sure we are averaging somewhere around that. So why do we need to do it better?

Bronco Boy · 11-15-2012, 09:39 PM

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Originally Posted by baja

What is the number one coach speak line?

'"You have to be able to run the football to win in this league"

That's a cool story, but it couldn't be further from the truth. The undefeated Patriots team of 2007 didn't even have a top 10 run offense I don't believe.

baja · 11-15-2012, 09:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Bronco Boy

He says you need 3 or 4 yard runs to set up the play action. Pretty sure we are averaging somewhere around that. So why do we need to do it better?

You said we didn't need a running game.

I said we do and so did Manning

4 yards a carry is enough of a running game.

Bronco Boy · 11-15-2012, 09:42 PM

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Originally Posted by baja

You said we didn't need a running game.

I said we do and so did Manning

4 yards a carry is enough of a running game.

So we are at 3.8 now. You're saying we need to get 0.2 better? Is this really your argument

baja · 11-15-2012, 09:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Bronco Boy

So we are at 3.8 now. You're saying we need to get 0.2 better? Is this really your argument

No the opponent needs to know we have the ability to run the football because if they don't they will see us as one demential and rush Manning every play.

Play action, the forte of Manning, will not work if we do not have the thread of a running game.

I thought everyone knew this.

There really isn't anything more to say about this

Bronco Boy · 11-15-2012, 09:46 PM

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Originally Posted by baja

No the opponent needs to know we have the ability to run the football because if they don't they will see us as one demential and rush Manning every play.

I thought everyone knew this.

We have the ability to run at 3.8 a clip which is just about good enough according to you. Giants only ran at 3.5 clip last year and managed to have a pretty successful season.

ZONA · 11-15-2012, 10:02 PM

Well the coaches and Manning will say we can do EVERYTHING a little better, lol

Things are going good now, we have definitely improved. But I hope the team continues to improve in all areas.

We haven't blocked a punt yet so I'd like to see that

pricejj · 11-15-2012, 10:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Bronco Boy

That's a cool story, but it couldn't be further from the truth. The undefeated Patriots team of 2007 didn't even have a top 10 run offense I don't believe.

The Patriots averaged 4.1 ypc in 2007.

Yes, I do think this team needs to be running at a 4.0 ypc clip to win the SuperBowl. It's a good goal, and a healthy number. A successful running game would take a lot of pressure off of Manning.

pricejj · 11-15-2012, 10:05 PM

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Originally Posted by ZONA

Well the coaches and Manning will say we can do EVERYTHING a little better, lol

Things are going good now, we have definitely improved. But I hope the team continues to improve in all areas.

We haven't blocked a punt yet so I'd like to see that

We do, however, lead the league in punt coverage.

The good news just doesn't stop.

Inkana7 · 11-15-2012, 10:08 PM

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Originally Posted by pricejj

The Patriots averaged 4.1 ypc in 2007.

Yes, I do think this team needs to be running at a 4.0 ypc clip to win the SuperBowl. It's a good goal, and a healthy number. A successful running game would take a lot of pressure off of Manning.

Luckily, McGahee is averaging over 4ypc.

DBroncos4life · 11-15-2012, 10:15 PM

Archie Manning said the reason for Peyton's success is because of our running game. This was in the new SI magazine so I can't prove it.

I think the running game clearly can improve but, I don't think it's to a level where it is not effective.

baja · 11-15-2012, 10:18 PM

......and that is why we run on first down

Bronco Boy · 11-16-2012, 06:26 AM

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Originally Posted by pricejj

The Patriots averaged 4.1 ypc in 2007.

Yes, I do think this team needs to be running at a 4.0 ypc clip to win the SuperBowl. It's a good goal, and a healthy number. A successful running game would take a lot of pressure off of Manning.

You may think it, but it's not true. 3.5 is plenty. You get 3.5 on every run and the team would never need to punt.

rmsanger · 11-16-2012, 07:04 AM

I think we know our D weaknesses vs. the top teams. Against the Pats we must cover two healthy TEs (Gronk/Hern). Against the Texans & Ravens we must slow down their run game. The Steelers may have a good shot at us if Roth, Troy, and Mende are all healthy.

On offense we need a more consistent running game that picks up 1st downs in 3rd and short. We also need to sustain drives and score touchdowns early.

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11-15-2012, 08:22 PM	#26
Swedish Extrovert President of the Universe Formerly known as mightysmurf Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Highlands Ranch Posts: 14,959 Adopt-a-Bronco: Joel Dreesen	Our TE play on defense leaves a lot to be desired.

11-15-2012, 08:39 PM	#27
ScottXray Opinionated A**** Love Me some PANCAKES!** Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: PDX (Portland OR) Posts: 4,663 Adopt-a-Bronco: J. D. Walton	Biggest worry for me is the poor run game. We have been trending downward over the last 3 games and McGahees fumbles aren't helping. Secure the rock. And try some toss-sweeps to get the youngun to the outside, especially to the right side, as Clady doesn't do well on sweeps. Beadles is doing well on those types of plays. Kuper will help when back, but we need to punch over those 3rd and shorts, so put Green in on Two TE sets when its a run called. Play action more on 1st down also would help. Like others I'd like to see a complete game without turning it over. This week would be a good time to start.

11-15-2012, 08:55 PM	#28
Swedish Extrovert President of the Universe Formerly known as mightysmurf Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Highlands Ranch Posts: 14,959 Adopt-a-Bronco: Joel Dreesen	The Pats have killer TEs, and I don't see us getting past the Pats until we get a mike that can cover.

11-15-2012, 09:33 PM	#32
baja It is what it Is. Pay attention. Join Date: Apr 2001 Posts: 53,907 Adopt-a-Bronco: Buy My Book	What is the number one coach speak line? '"You have to be able to run the football to win in this league"

11-15-2012, 10:02 PM	#39
ZONA Ring of Famer Liquid greatness in every packet Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Phoenix, AZ Posts: 7,394 Adopt-a-Bronco: Chris Harris	Well the coaches and Manning will say we can do EVERYTHING a little better, lol Things are going good now, we have definitely improved. But I hope the team continues to improve in all areas. We haven't blocked a punt yet so I'd like to see that

11-15-2012, 10:15 PM	#43
DBroncos4life Hey pic Mod!?!?! FU Why yes, that is Bacon Bacon. Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: The wrong side of right. Posts: 26,580	Archie Manning said the reason for Peyton's success is because of our running game. This was in the new SI magazine so I can't prove it. I think the running game clearly can improve but, I don't think it's to a level where it is not effective.

11-15-2012, 10:18 PM	#44
baja It is what it Is. Pay attention. Join Date: Apr 2001 Posts: 53,907 Adopt-a-Bronco: Buy My Book	......and that is why we run on first down

11-16-2012, 07:04 AM	#46
rmsanger Ring of Famer Another one bites the dust! Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 1,056 Adopt-a-Bronco: None	I think we know our D weaknesses vs. the top teams. Against the Pats we must cover two healthy TEs (Gronk/Hern). Against the Texans & Ravens we must slow down their run game. The Steelers may have a good shot at us if Roth, Troy, and Mende are all healthy. On offense we need a more consistent running game that picks up 1st downs in 3rd and short. We also need to sustain drives and score touchdowns early.