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Old 02-06-2014, 10:56 AM   #101
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Would anyone have a problem with a 5 yr, $30.77 million contract with 12 million guaranteed?
I'm close to OK with that, seems a TAD bit high....close though
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Old 02-06-2014, 10:58 AM   #102
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not at all....dude in the beginning of the YEAR EVERYBODY was on Decker don't tell me they were not BECAUSE THEY WERE GO BACK AND READ....if Decker was so valuable then the Broncos would not let him teat free agency now would they...by the way HOW MANY DID HE DROP....thank u
You know they could still sign him leading up to FA.
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Old 02-06-2014, 10:59 AM   #103
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I'm close to OK with that, seems a TAD bit high....close though
I'd be great with it, but I think he'll get more.
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Old 02-06-2014, 11:00 AM   #104
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I'd be great with it, but I think he'll get more.
actually looking at some of the base salaries around the league its not bad...its unreal how many guys are being overpaid

yes, he will get more than that
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Old 02-06-2014, 11:02 AM   #105
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wonder how big of a hit Hakeem Nicks' value took this year...I'd be more inclined to pay him than Decker
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Old 02-06-2014, 11:06 AM   #106
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I don't recall Decker having that many drops.
Tied with a bunch of guys with 7 drops (tied for 5th highest). Welker had 10 (tied for 2nd) and DT had 8 (tied for 4th). Our good friend Brandon Marshall led the league with 12.

http://www.sportingcharts.com/nfl/stats/drops/2013/
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Old 02-06-2014, 11:09 AM   #107
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... he disapprearred because Peyton DID NOT TRUST HIM
2nd most targeted Broncos WR behind DT. Deck had 137, DT 143. Welker was a distant 3rd at 110.
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Old 02-06-2014, 11:10 AM   #108
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Tied with a bunch of guys with 7 drops (tied for 5th highest). Welker had 10 (tied for 2nd) and DT had 8 (tied for 4th). Our good friend Brandon Marshall led the league with 12.

http://www.sportingcharts.com/nfl/stats/drops/2013/
Drop stats are misleading since the more targets a receiver has, the more likely it is he's going to drop a few. It would be more helpful when judging a receiver's hands to know the percentage of catchable targets that he dropped.

EDIT: I see from your link they have those numbers in the far right columns. That's more helpful than just the total number of drops.
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Old 02-06-2014, 11:23 AM   #109
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it pains me when people just can't admit it when they are wrong.
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Old 02-06-2014, 11:32 AM   #110
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so if they sign him again then when he drops passes there should be no complaining and if they replace him and win it all no one should cheer...cant have it both ways
7 drops out of 137 targets isn't that horrible.
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so if they sign him again then when he drops passes there should be no complaining and if they replace him and win it all no one should cheer...cant have it both ways
help.....seek it
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but that does not help us defensively WHERE CHAMPIONSHIPS ARE WON
the broncos had the #2 defense in the league in 2012. Injuries + miller's suspension killed that unit this year even though most would argue that it was better on paper with guys like phillips and drc. Just getting guys healthy will be a big step towards improving that unit. Moreso than just bringing in one extra fa.
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Old 02-06-2014, 02:36 PM   #113
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Losing Doom started the defensive slide. Then Miller, then Vickerson, then Wolfe, then Harris, lol it was a ridiculous year for injuries.
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could we have won it with them in the game is the question...I know its something that we will never know...but that Hawks defense that played in the SB they were not the same team I had seen before true Broncos either but that DEFENSE WAS JUST DOMINATE
Broncos could play the Hawks again and it wouldn't turn out the same. It's just how football is. You can blow a team out one week and lose to them 4 weeks later. I have seen it happen tons of times.

I don't if having those players makes a difference. You could have those players and lose worst, or win. That is how sports go.

But for sure having our pass rushers from the yr before could have made a big difference.
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Remember all it takes is one big hit on a QB and that can turn a game around. Broncos have got to not depend on Miller. They need to go out and sign at least 2 pass rushers this offseason.
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Decker just not good enough to sign if it means no pass rushers for the front 7. In the NFL you win by scoring and getting to the other teams QB.

We can replace decker easier then we can find pass rushers IMO.
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Broncos could play the Hawks again and it wouldn't turn out the same. It's just how football is. You can blow a team out one week and lose to them 4 weeks later. I have seen it happen tons of times.

I don't if having those players makes a difference. You could have those players and lose worst, or win. That is how sports go.

But for sure having our pass rushers from the yr before could have made a big difference.
Yeah, that's a good point. Look at the Cacks vs the Niners. I mean part of it was the home/away thing. But after being completely shelled, the Niners came back and beat them at home and then almost knocked them off back in Seattle in the playoffs.

Seattle's well built to beat us. But once they've unloaded, you start figuring out how to deal with what they have.

I think in our case, they'll figure out that protecting Manning is the most important thing they can worry about on offense.
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Old 02-06-2014, 06:08 PM   #118
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Well, DT certainly didn't get "shut down". And my hunch is that Decker had Sherman on him a lot and Manning mostly stayed away or didn't have time to target him.
He didnt catch anything until the game was out of hand. Otherwise known as garbage time. Difference between decker and thomas though is the speed factor. Decker wont be outrunnibg anybody
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The more I think about Decker the more I think just let him walk unless we get a home team discount. Sign a guy like Maclin who has some serious upside, and then resign Caldwell on the cheap.
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Demaryius Thomas may have been the AFC champs’ number-one receiver overall, but Decker was right behind him in catches (87 to Thomas’ 92), yards (1,288 to Thomas’ 1,430), yards per catch (14.8 to 15.5), and touchdowns (11 to 14). Peyton Manning had two amazing receivers in Marvin Harrison and Reggie Wayne when he was in Indianapolis, and it’s not out of line to see Decker as Wayne to Thomas’ Harrison. Decker would be the most prolific receiver on most teams.

Decker has said he wants to return to the Broncos, but reports indicate the team will let him test the open market. Denver has two Thomases — Demaryius and tight end Julius — coming up on contract years, and there’s always the question of what this offense will look like when Peyton Manning retires. The team may believe it needs to allocate its resources elsewhere, which would make Decker a lead-pipe number-one receiver — in role and in contract value.
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I still think spending money on the defense is the answer. Im getting backlash for saying if Deker wants to much let him go.
If you go back and read the reponses to you, I think you'll find that nobody is doing this. The backlash you are getting is for specific posts saying that "Manning doesn't trust Decker, etc."

Really go back and read the responses. NOBODY is saying "sign Decker at all costs/no matter the costs/etc." Most are fine with letting him go and, of those most wanting him back, none are advocating doing so for market value. It's hometown discount or nothing.
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Old 02-07-2014, 07:14 AM   #122
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The more I think about Decker the more I think just let him walk unless we get a home team discount. Sign a guy like Maclin who has some serious upside, and then resign Caldwell on the cheap.
I actually think Caldwell could fill in for Decker and it wouldn't be that big of a downgrade. Meanwhile, maybe we could big up a big possession receiver for cheap, if that's even possible anymore- probably would have be a flyer from late rounds of the draft.
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He didnt catch anything until the game was out of hand. Otherwise known as garbage time.
So.....2nd quarter?
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