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Old 10-02-2017, 04:31 PM   #151
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Yes and yes to answer your questions. I swear use guys arguing against these guns are clueless how they even work. I got a 10 round magazine extension on my shotgun that I use for hunting and have many times hunting geese.
Seems a bit unnecessary to hunt geese with a military grade assault rifle.

We're never going to agree on this though, so its pointless.
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Old 10-02-2017, 04:32 PM   #152
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Oh...so now people's right's don't matter? Gotcha. I'll tuck that one away for one of our future discussions.
I swear to god I want to punch you in the face sometimes. I wasn't saying RIGHTS DONT MATTER. I'm saying, in regards to the question I'm asking, it's irrelevant.
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Old 10-02-2017, 04:33 PM   #153
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Seems a bit unnecessary to hunt geese with a military grade assault rifle.

We're never going to agree on this though, so its pointless.
But it isn't an assault rifle. You could argue it is unnecessary but you don't know anything about it but yet want to comment on it.
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Why the hell do you need an AR-15 to hunt? Can you even hunt big game with an AR-15?

And you're missing the point of the argument. My point is that these should be illegal too. They are made to kill people. Not hunting.
How about you spend 5 minutes researching the purpose of the 2nd amendment. Your argument is null and void.
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Old 10-02-2017, 04:34 PM   #155
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But it isn't an assault rifle. You could argue it is unnecessary but you don't know anything about it but yet want to comment on it.
I don't pretend to be a gun expert. But it was made for the military. It was specifically made to kill people.
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Old 10-02-2017, 04:34 PM   #156
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Part of the reason why this conversation is so depressing and will be replicated many times in the future on this very OM is because the gun rights advocates don't have any solutions.

Like if you say "we should impose stricter gun controls" the response to that from gun rights fans on here is to just shoot down that idea.

Fine. So what is the solution?

One poster (who I respect) when pressed on this simply said he was "disinclined to propose any solutions" because he felt ANY solution would infringe on peoples rights. Then, when pressed further, just went on a tangent about how it's hypocritical to care about gun deaths if you don't also make the same amount of posts / threads about other types of deaths.

That is the thinking we're dealing with on the gun rights side. It's just entrenched "do nothing" thinking. Any sort of attempt to work on it and collaborate on solutions is somehow indicative of eroding the 2nd amendment or something.

It's insanity.
And when you point out what the 2nd amendment was actually intended to allow they act like your crazy. I mean seriously the destructive power of some weapons that are legal to own is just insane at this point. And all because some guys thought citizens should be able to own muskets to defend their homes and hunt for food. It's absurd.
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But I thought you keep this locked up because you're a responsible gun owner? If someone breaks into my house when I'm sleeping, I doubt I have the time to go to the safe.

And for the millionth ****ing time, I'm not saying you can't own a gun. I don't know why you need a military grade assault rifle.
It's not an assault rifle. I don't assault anyone with it, and it is not defined as an assault rifle. You are not saying I can't own a gun, but you are all hip to tell when and where I can shoot, and what I can own to shoot. Sounds totalitarian in nature.

Not all of my guns are about, thanks for asking, some are in easy to get to places concealed within the home. The majority of my weapons are contained within a 1000 lb safe though. Does that meet your approval?
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I don't pretend to be a gun expert. But it was made for the military. It was specifically made to kill people.
My benelli was not made for the military. Try again.
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I don't pretend to be a gun expert.
Yeah....you do.
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Old 10-02-2017, 04:36 PM   #160
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This 3d printer cost 1500 USD.

3d printers have software that can be configured to restrict 1) proprietary designs and / or 2) designs that are regulated by law.
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And when you point out what the 2nd amendment was actually intended to allow they act like your crazy. I mean seriously the destructive power of some weapons that are legal to own is just insane at this point. And all because some guys thought citizens should be able to own muskets to defend their homes and hunt for food. It's absurd.
Defend their homes from what? Finish the sentence.
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How about you spend 5 minutes researching the purpose of the 2nd amendment. Your argument is null and void.
Maybe you should...

"A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."

It was also written for a completely different time. How many of these gun owners are part of a well-regulated militia? And why can just anyone buy these at gun shows?
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Military. Grade. Assault. Rifle.

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Yeah....you do.
No, I don't.

Maybe you should wonder why you need a military assault rifle to protect your home against these intruders who break in while you're sleeping.
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Seems a bit unnecessary to hunt geese with a military grade assault rifle.

We're never going to agree on this though, so its pointless.
Just as pointless as debating this with someone who feels like their opinion of what I need is all he needs.
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I don't pretend to be a gun expert. But it was made for the military. It was specifically made to kill people.
His argument is absurd. There is very little difference in the destructive power of a semi-auto and a fully automatic weapon, especially if they have similar ammo capacity. Just click your mouse as fast as you can and you'll get a good sense of how fast a semi-auto rifle like an AR-15 can fire. Soldiers on the battlefield intentionally switch to semi-auto in certain situations by the way.
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I swear to god I want to punch you in the face sometimes. I wasn't saying RIGHTS DONT MATTER. I'm saying, in regards to the question I'm asking, it's irrelevant.
I know. And I always turn the other cheek.

No...people's rights are not irrelevant to the discussion.
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See what I mean?

Shane's solution is not serious and then the other guy says the solution is to "arm yourself."

Not sure how arming yourself would protect you from a guy shooting at you from a hotel window.
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No, I don't.

Maybe you should wonder why you need a military assault rifle to protect your home against these intruders who break in while you're sleeping.
"I don't know the first thing about firearms, but I know the solution to everything"
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Here's another silly thing that happens in this discussion.

Gun control gets conflated with banning all guns.
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My benelli was not made for the military. Try again.
Hell let's flip it, I can do a lot of damage with my 870 wingmaster I've had since I was 10. Why do I need it?!?!?!?!
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No, I don't.

Maybe you should wonder why you need a military assault rifle to protect your home against these intruders who break in while you're sleeping.
Ummm...to destroy them before they destroy me or my family. It's not a wonder.

And home protection is just one of the many fabulous uses for a semi-auto rifle.
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Just as pointless as debating this with someone who feels like their opinion of what I need is all he needs.
Its a relevant debate considering America's gun problem. I'm not asking to restrict your ability to make toast. I'm also not even suggesting taking them away from you. We lost that battle long ago.
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Here's another silly thing that happens in this discussion.

Gun control gets conflated with banning all guns.
Yes, we're on to your end game. Same as it ever was.
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Here's another silly thing that happens in this discussion.

Gun control gets conflated with banning all guns.
Until people want to ban more guns because pssst...all the laws in the world aren't going to stop a motivated person from achieving their goals. So, when the next tragedy happens...it will be an excuse to take away more and more until the populace has no final recourse against tyranny.
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