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Old 08-18-2018, 09:46 AM   #126
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That TD throw was awesome. Mobility, esacpability, and a laser into a tight window in the end zone
That’s the type of flash play you want to see from a young QB when they get playing time.
Yes it is. The most impressive thing to me was the PA and not panicking when he turned his back to the defense.
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Old 08-18-2018, 09:56 AM   #127
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I didn't want Allen. He still has accuracy issues and you either have that or you don't.
Are you sure about that? His comp% is better than Mayfield so far.
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Old 08-18-2018, 10:05 AM   #128
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I didn't want Allen. He still has accuracy issues and you either have that or you don't.
That's a fan's myth with no substantiating evidence.
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Old 08-18-2018, 10:12 AM   #129
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Are you sure about that? His comp% is better than Mayfield so far.
5.5 ypa vs. 8.7 ypa, but hey he’s completing a slightly higher percentage of passes.
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That's a fan's myth with no substantiating evidence.
He’s doubling down on his stance against Allen. If Allen and/or Rosen become great QBs, this past draft will go down as one biggest draft screw ups in league history. Chubb is going to have to have a Von Miller or better type career or better to justify being picked Allen/Rosen.
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Old 08-18-2018, 10:52 AM   #131
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Just comparing their best statistical seasons in college where they both played a full season.

Josh Allen stats

Mountain West Conference
14 Games
Pass Attempts: 373
Completion %: 56
TDs : 28
INTs: 15


Chad Kelly stats

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Pass Attempts: 458
Completion %: 65.1
TDs: 31
INTs: 13


I am trying to figure out why Josh Allen is a better prospect than Kelly. Can anyone explain it? Try not bringing up Kelly's attitude. We sort of get it. Heard that for a year. Seems to have been doing all of the right things, so I am not all that concerned about that.

Is it possible Kelly is 6 foot 2 and Allen is 6 foot 5?

Please tell me there is more to it. Please tell me that the fetish Elway is attracted to is not the big factor here.
Add Paxton's stats in there and you will realize how little college stats mean.
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5.5 ypa vs. 8.7 ypa, but hey he’s completing a slightly higher percentage of passes.
Moving the goal post, I see.
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Old 08-18-2018, 11:09 AM   #133
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Add Paxton's stats in there and you will realize how little college stats mean.
the conference played in matters
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Old 08-18-2018, 11:27 AM   #134
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the conference played in matters
Yeah, Allen was struggling against the Air Force defense at times, while Kelly beat BAMA. Let that sink in. Kelly BEAT BAMA. At the time I think only Kelly and Watson had beaten the Saban era BAMA. Now we can add Stidham to that list. I think he will go in the 1st round next year. But that a pretty impressive resume.
He was in contention the other time he played BAMA as well. And Ole Miss wasn't some powerhouse. I don't even think any WR from Ole Miss is even playing in the NFL. TE Engram went to NY but that's about it.
The thing about Kelly is he's a game time baller. He shows up and balls the F out on game day.

“He’s got a big arm,” Mayock said. “If you look at his two Alabama tapes – we make a big deal about (Deshaun) Watson’s tapes against Alabama – but if you watch Kelly against them, it’s just about as good. He’s a little bit of a gunslinger. He throws some interceptions. But there’s no question about arm strength. He’s a competitor.”
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Only to SEC fans.
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Only to SEC fans.


I root for Buffs and Mizzou.

The SEC is a powerhouse. just is. As close to Pro ball as it gets in college.
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Moving the goal post, I see.
3.2 + yards per completion is not moving the goal post. If anything, all it does is expose your stats as not telling the whole story in the least.
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Old 08-18-2018, 12:29 PM   #138
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That's a fan's myth with no substantiating evidence.
Not at all. You can see him miss easy throws all the time. For the record how many college QBs the last 10 years that have had a sub 60 percent completion percentage pan out in the pros?

I'm going to see a lot of him olay though and hope he pans out since my wife is from Buffalo.
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I root for Buffs and Mizzou.

The SEC is a powerhouse. just is. As close to Pro ball as it gets in college.
So where are all these great QBs from the SEC? Seems like there are more failed QBs that came from the SEC than good ones. For every Peyton Manning or Cam Newton there are three or four Tim Tebows, Jamarcus Russells, Tim Couchs, Johnny Manziels and Heath Shulers.

For other positions, I agree with you. Not QBs tho.
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So where are all these great QBs from the SEC? Seems like there are more failed QBs that came from the SEC than good ones. For every Peyton Manning or Cam Newton there are three or four Tim Tebows, Jamarcus Russells, Tim Couchs, Johnny Manziels and Heath Shulers.

For other positions, I agree with you. Not QBs tho.
PAC 12 , big 12 and Acc all have more QBs on an NFL roster than the Sec
Cam and Eli are the only ones that come to mind
Eli spans 15 years ago
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3.2 + yards per completion is not moving the goal post. If anything, all it does is expose your stats as not telling the whole story in the least.
Where did you you come up with 3.2?
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3.2 + yards per completion is not moving the goal post. If anything, all it does is expose your stats as not telling the whole story in the least.
YPC & comp% are two different things. The entire argument this offseason against Josh Allen has been his comp%. Not YPC. It’s always been about his comp% being below 60%.
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YPC & comp% are two different things. The entire argument this offseason against Josh Allen has been his comp%. Not YPC. It’s always been about his comp% being below 60%.
Yep, the argument being that low to mediocre completion percentage in college indicates low completion percentage in the NFL due to the fact that it’s harder to complete passes in the NFL.
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Yep, the argument being that low to mediocre completion percentage in college indicates low completion percentage in the NFL due to the fact that it’s harder to complete passes in the NFL.
Not every QB in college with a low comp% is a bust, just like having a high comp% doesn’t indicate success in the NFL. Tim Tebow comp% was 67% in college.
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Not every QB in college with a low comp% is a bust, just like having a high comp% doesn’t indicate success in the NFL. Tim Tebow comp% was 67% in college.
High completion percentage in college does not necessarily translate to being a successful NFL QB, that is for sure...
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Old 08-18-2018, 02:18 PM   #146
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Moving the goal post, I see.
Hey, if you care more about a few points of completion percentage than over three yards per pass that's your business. Makes no sense to me, but hey I'm not a moron.
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Didnt want Allen, may pan out, may not, i didnt want Denver making that risk.

I think i had the ones i liked as Baker > Darnold/Rosen, didnt want Lamar or Allen think both bust.

Late round guys were a couple i liked but none really worth not giving Kelly a shot.
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I think all the first rounders have looked decent. Just our luck.
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All through the draft process Josh Allen was the QB I wanted. The dude has superstar potential. He is quite similar to Carson Wentz in my opinion. I was never really high on Darnold or Mayfield (in hindsight, it looks like Baker will be a star... love his feet and pocket moxie). Darnold was an inigma to me. I had no idea how he was going to turn out. Still not sure on him because of a really awkward delivery.

When the draft rolled around, I was resigned to the fact that our team needed a lot of help at a lot of different positions so understood not going with the QB. I was not a huge fan of Denzel Ward and luke warm on a few other guys we were rumored to like at #5. The guy I hoped for due to both need and the projections of a multi-year All Pro... Quenton Nelson.

For me, Chubb was a luxury pick. He could have a big impact on the team but I don't think he fits what we do on defense. Fortunately, I don't think what we do on defense will last real long and the next coach and DC will have us back to attacking behind the LOS, getting after QBs and causing some friggin turnovers. This read and react **** got Shanahan run out of town along with Bob Slowik... and they didn't have nearly the supporting cast on defense. If Joe Woods can't make this supporting cast work he is gone quick along with VJ who is the main architect of this sad scheme.
I dont think Chubb was a luxury pick, Ray/Barrett are FA's soon and not sure either are long-term options.

Chubb gives you a legit option opposite of Miller again. It was an underrated need that people didnt understand.
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Not every QB in college with a low comp% is a bust, just like having a high comp% doesn’t indicate success in the NFL. Tim Tebow comp% was 67% in college.
What QB had a low under 60 completion percentage every year in college and panned out in the pros?
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