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Old 06-09-2018, 02:09 PM   #1
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Still Waiting for Evidence of a Russian Hack

June 7, 2018

More than two years after the allegation of Russian hacking of the 2016 U.S. presidential election was first made, conclusive proof is still lacking and may never be produced, says Ray McGovern.

By Ray McGovern Special to Consortium News

If you are wondering why so little is heard these days of accusations that Russia hacked into the U.S. election in 2016, it could be because those charges could not withstand close scrutiny. It could also be because special counsel Robert Mueller appears to have never bothered to investigate what was once the central alleged crime in Russia-gate as no one associated with WikiLeaks has ever been questioned by his team.

Veteran Intelligence Professionals for Sanity — including two “alumni” who were former National Security Agency technical directors — have long since concluded that Julian Assange did not acquire what he called the “emails related to Hillary Clinton” via a “hack” by the Russians or anyone else. They found, rather, that he got them from someone with physical access to Democratic National Committee computers who copied the material onto an external storage device — probably a thumb drive. In December 2016 VIPS explained this in some detail in an open Memorandum to President Barack Obama.

On January 18, 2017 President Obama admitted that the “conclusions” of U.S. intelligence regarding how the alleged Russian hacking got to WikiLeaks were “inconclusive.” Even the vapid FBI/CIA/NSA “Intelligence Community Assessment of Russian Activities and Intentions in Recent U.S. Elections” of January 6, 2017, which tried to blame Russian President Vladimir Putin for election interference, contained no direct evidence of Russian involvement. That did not prevent the “handpicked” authors of that poor excuse for intelligence analysis from expressing “high confidence” that Russian intelligence “relayed material it acquired from the Democratic National Committee … to WikiLeaks.” Handpicked analysts, of course, say what they are handpicked to say.

Never mind. The FBI/CIA/NSA “assessment” became bible truth for partisans like Rep. Adam Schiff (D-CA), ranking member of the House Intelligence Committee, who was among the first off the blocks to blame Russia for interfering to help Trump. It simply could not have been that Hillary Clinton was quite capable of snatching defeat out of victory all by herself. No, it had to have been the Russians.

Five days into the Trump presidency, I had a chance to challenge Schiff personally on the gaping disconnect between the Russians and WikiLeaks. Schiff still “can’t share the evidence” with me … or with anyone else, because it does not exist.

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https://consortiumnews.com/2018/06/0...-russian-hack/
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Old 06-09-2018, 02:18 PM   #2
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Default McGovern's conclusion...

is non partisan - and certainly not a defense of Trump..

Read on:

“Full Disclosure: Over recent decades the ethos of our intelligence profession has eroded in the public mind to the point that agenda-free analysis is deemed well nigh impossible. Thus, we add this disclaimer, which applies to everything we in VIPS say and do: We have no political agenda; our sole purpose is to spread truth around and, when necessary, hold to account our former intelligence colleagues.

“We speak and write without fear or favor. Consequently, any resemblance between what we say and what presidents, politicians and pundits say is purely coincidental.” The fact we find it is necessary to include that reminder speaks volumes about these highly politicized times.
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Lol.

Keep banging the drum, Der Gaffo. Maybe Vladdy Daddy will **** you.
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Old 06-09-2018, 03:01 PM   #4
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Lol.

Keep banging the drum, Der Gaffo. Maybe Vladdy Daddy will **** you.
Ray McGovern briefed US presidents. Who have you briefed?

The OM?
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Old 06-09-2018, 04:51 PM   #5
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Anybody on RT's payroll is working for Putin.
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der gaffo, why aren't you living in Russia?
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This guy last had CIA clearance in 1990, 28 years ago. How could he possibly know whether evidence of a hack exists or not? More likely, he's found himself a niche market opportunity to transform his former career into a lucrative gig in which he and others have carved out a cottage industry for themselves. This is the route a lot of former politicians and government insiders have taken in consulting gigs via the private sector, and now the intel community has found that pathway available to them via these alternate forms of influence in the wake of the internet and social media feeding their ability to take a message directly to the public.

There's obviously no money, prestige or notoriety in agreement with anything already going on, which explains in broad terms the entire conspiracy industry...and yes, it's definitely an industry. A guy who last had access to top secret information informing us almost 30 years later that he knows what's really going on, has very little credibility in the present.

None of this matters to Herr Gaffo of course.

Glance at his Wikipedia page for a list of other dubious claims he's made in the past.

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The same Seth Rich family that’s suing Fox News for pushing the Fake news story.
https://mobile.nytimes.com/2018/03/1...h-lawsuit.html
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This guy last had CIA clearance in 1990, 28 years ago. How could he possibly know whether evidence of a hack exists or not? More likely, he's found himself a niche market opportunity to transform his former career into a lucrative gig in which he and others have carved out a cottage industry for themselves. This is the route a lot of former politicians and government insiders have taken in consulting gigs via the private sector, and now the intel community has found that pathway available to them via these alternate forms of influence in the wake of the internet and social media feeding their ability to take a message directly to the public.

There's obviously no money, prestige or notoriety in agreement with anything already going on, which explains in broad terms the entire conspiracy industry...and yes, it's definitely an industry. A guy who last had access to top secret information informing us almost 30 years later that he knows what's really going on, has very little credibility in the present.

None of this matters to Herr Gaffo of course.

Glance at his Wikipedia page for a list of other dubious claims he's made in the past.
You are too stupid for words. But I will try.

McGovern is still connected to people within the intelligence community who tell him things. Additionally, his group includes a number of insiders, veteran intelligence experts, and whistleblowers, people like Bill Binney who designed the surveillance architecture used by the NSA.

If you add up the years of experience of McGovern and his intelligence cohorts, it would tally in the hundreds. McGovern and Binney together -- just these two -- have around 60 years of government experience.

They know the system, how it works, and how it went so very wrong after (and as a result of) 9/11.
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You are too stupid for words. But I will try.

McGovern is still connected to people within the intelligence community who tell him things. Additionally, his group includes a number of insiders, veteran intelligence experts, and whistleblowers, people like Bill Binney who designed the surveillance architecture used by the NSA.

If you add up the years of experience of McGovern and his intelligence cohorts, it would tally in the hundreds. McGovern and Binney together -- just these two -- have around 60 years of government experience.

They know the system, how it works, and how it went so very wrong after (and as a result of) 9/11.
Please tell us what current CIA people are slipping these guys information on the sly...or is this just some BS you're throwing out there? Bill Binney retired in 2001, so he's been outside the official CIA loop for going on 20 years himself now. Neither he, nor McGovern, have any idea what kind of classified material exists for evidence of a Russian hack, let alone that there is none, and pretending they do is pure bull**** designed for suckers like you who consume this crap 24 hours a day. If current CIA people are communicating classified info to these guys...that's a crime...probably punishable by a lengthy stay in a federal prison.

Try again.

If you had half a brain yourself, you'd understand that "consultants" throughout the private sector have used their prior experience in government for decades, and this is merely a new twist on an old game...one aided by social media and the web.

Conspiracy theories pay well.
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Please tell us what current CIA people are slipping these guys information on the sly...or is this just some BS you're throwing out there? Bill Binney retired in 2001, so he's been outside the official CIA loop for going on 20 years himself now. Neither he, nor McGovern, have any idea what kind of classified material exists for evidence of a Russian hack, let alone that there is none, and pretending they do is pure bull**** designed for suckers like you who consume this crap 24 hours a day. If current CIA people are communicating classified info to these guys...that's a crime...probably punishable by a lengthy stay in a federal prison.

Try again.

If you had half a brain yourself, you'd understand that "consultants" throughout the private sector have used their prior experience in government for decades, and this is merely a new twist on an old game...one aided by social media and the web.

Conspiracy theories pay well.
If YOU had done five minutes worth of research -- you would know that Ray McGovern and Bill Binney are not getting paid for their services to the Republic. They are volunteering what they know to save the US Constitutional system - -which has been shredded and rendered moot by the US surveillance state (NSA, CIA, FBI etc)

This is the ugly reality. We live in a police state. We saw an example of this at the Congressional hearings -- when Ms Haspel the nominee for CIA chief refused to answer certain questions about her past -- related to her role in CIA torture. The material - she stated - was classified and would have to be heard in closed session -- no journalists or public allowed to be present.

As Ray McGovern later pointed out, but Haspel herself had classified the material! She dodged accountability for her role in torture by arbitrarily declaring her past to be classified!

And she got away with it. And like some stupid chimp you swallowed the banana!

Ray tried to warn the country by speaking out at the hearing -- and was immediately manhandled out of the hearing room by guards.
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Why aren't you living in Russia, der gaffo?
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If YOU had done five minutes worth of research --
5 minutes is about 4m50s longer than you "research" anything, bub.
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Keep banging the drum, Der Gaffo. Maybe Vladdy Daddy will **** you.
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The irony is, by the time people like you wake up it will be too late.
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For how many years here have you been saying that, der gaffo?

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It only has to happen once. Idiot.
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It's been too late since 11/22/1963, has it not, moron?

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If YOU had done five minutes worth of research -- you would know that Ray McGovern and Bill Binney are not getting paid for their services to the Republic. They are volunteering what they know to save the US Constitutional system - -which has been shredded and rendered moot by the US surveillance state (NSA, CIA, FBI etc)
I just did five minutes worth of research and found out that both these guys do speaking engagements, which they're likely paid for.

Aside from money, staying relevant is a goal for some of the guys, which they do by luring in suckers like you to regurgitate their theories decades after they're no longer employed in the intel community.
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Apparently communist Russia is suggesting no foreigner sex or race intermixing during World Cup.


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