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Old 05-16-2018, 02:10 PM   #401
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There should be a school specifically for that.......
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Did that on purpose. Derp!
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Old 05-16-2018, 03:49 PM   #407
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Old 05-16-2018, 04:11 PM   #408
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It's what he SHOULD have said last year.
Yes, its unfortunate that VJ is still coaching the Broncos,as he is a worthless coach, and that Paxton hasnt been traded for an 8th round draft pick, since he is a terrible QB.
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Old 05-16-2018, 08:03 PM   #410
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I remember Lynch was a project. He might have to sit a year. It might take him three years to reach his stride, but that doesnít mean he has to sit for three years. Heís a first round bust. Some scouts were saying he was the best QB in the draft and could start his first year.
I read more than a dozen reports written by NFL scouts, and saw none that indicated he was the best QB in the draft, nor that he would start his first year.

Who was saying this?
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Old 05-16-2018, 08:16 PM   #411
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Why do you just assume that the issue with Lynch is developmental rather than simply a wrong initial evaluation? In other words, maybe the dude just canít cut it. Iíve seen nothing from Lynch tonsuggest that any other coaching staff wouldíve been able to develop him into a quality QB.
Simple...

This team has never in its entire history, developed a franchise quarterback through internal coaching work.

Second, no competent NFL staff would give up on a QB they moved up into the first round to draft after four games. It's idiotic in the extreme. This same staff also cut the best performer they had in preseason last year. The one before them...still under Elway...never even ATTEMPTED to develop Tebow. Steve Young actually called them out on MNF for it in fact.

Third, they don't seem to know what they're seeing, even long AFTER an initial evaluation. Exhibit A: Osweiler sits for FOUR YEARS at Manning's feet. Elway sees him every single day. He tells the fan base this entire time that he's a franchise QB, that he would have been drafted top 5 had he stayed one more year in school, that he's the heir apparent to Manning. Kubiak handles his demotion during the 2015 run horribly, and then Elway lets him walk.

That had a lot more than "initial evaluation" baked into it. But even if they have a problem recognizing NFL talent, this hardly supports them being good at coaching it now does it?
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I read more than a dozen reports written by NFL scouts, and saw none that indicated he was the best QB in the draft, nor that he would start his first year.

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ďBased on film and projecting for the future, Paxton Lynch is the best quarterback in this NFL Draft. Period.

While Jared Goff has showed great timing on his mid-field throws and Carson Wentz looks the part of a strong-armed franchise passer, both lack the innate decisiveness, poise and elite quarterback upside that Lynch has displayed.Ē

ďLynch has plenty of room to grow, but he profiles as a rookie starter who may thrive in a learn-by-playing atmosphereĒ

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That's why I don't fault the Broncos for trying. He had a lot of good things going for him. They made the move and at least tried. It's very difficult to find a franchise QB. You just have to keep trying. Just know when it's not happening and turn the page. Watching Matt Millen prop up Joey Harrington year after year was watching a pig in a beauty pageant. Don't try to make your mistake look right. Admit you're wrong and move on.
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You're responding, so you clearly do.

I've also made arguments supporting both Keenum and even Siemian, and I don't care whether we go with Lynch or Kelly, or someone else who turns out to be better for the team. I'm a Bronco fan and I'll root for whoever is in there, so it's not about Lynch, it's about being honest about the facts of this situation.

An entire mythology has grown up about this dude that has utterly no facts to support it...he's lazy...he's playing video games all the time...he's so stupid he can't tie his own shoes....etc...and none of it has any basis in fact.

I'm arguing only one thing, that this team had better learn how to find a QB, and DEVELOP him, not throw **** against a wall and see what sticks. I have nothing against Kelly either, but the plain truth is, this fan base is currently rooting for a guy who for all we know may be emotionally or psychologically unstable simply because he's not Lynch.

I think that's nuts.
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Old 05-16-2018, 10:02 PM   #415
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Old 05-16-2018, 10:13 PM   #416
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It's good to hear you're coming back fully rehabilitated.
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This team has never in its entire history, developed a franchise quarterback through internal coaching work.
The history of the franchise is entirely irrelevant. Why? Because different front offices and coaching staffs have different evaluative and developmental methods. Josh McDaniels has nothing to do with Elway and company, for example. Even if it did have relevance, that still doesnít preclude the likelihood that the initial evaluation was the issue, not development. Note that Iím not letting the FO off the hook here; they made a mistake. But the mistake was with the initial evaluation, not development. Itís simply naive to believe, as you seem to, that NFL players are pieces of clay who will be successful if molded properly. The reality is that most players drafted, including first rounders, simply donít have all the ingredients and no development will help them. If you dispute this, then there should be a vast list of first round QBs who suck initially but then turn out great when they get with a better coaching staff. But that list is tiny. Jim Plunkett. Steve Young. Maybe you can throw in Testeverde. Thatís it. No first round QB in 30 years who was initially unsuccessful found great success later. Which means that, generally, a failure at QB is a failure of evaluation, not development.
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It's good to hear you're coming back fully rehabilitated.

Yea, it was a tough rehab. Calling a mod b**** after she tried to bring me into the conversation by lying about what i said. Such a horrible thing.
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Yea, it was a tough rehab. Calling a mod b**** after she tried to bring me into the conversation by lying about what i said. Such a horrible thing.
You missed the draft here?
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The history of the franchise is entirely irrelevant. Why? Because different front offices and coaching staffs have different evaluative and developmental methods. Josh McDaniels has nothing to do with Elway and company, for example. Even if it did have relevance, that still doesnít preclude the likelihood that the initial evaluation was the issue, not development. Note that Iím not letting the FO off the hook here; they made a mistake. But the mistake was with the initial evaluation, not development. Itís simply naive to believe, as you seem to, that NFL players are pieces of clay who will be successful if molded properly. The reality is that most players drafted, including first rounders, simply donít have all the ingredients and no development will help them. If you dispute this, then there should be a vast list of first round QBs who suck initially but then turn out great when they get with a better coaching staff. But that list is tiny. Jim Plunkett. Steve Young. Maybe you can throw in Testeverde. Thatís it. No first round QB in 30 years who was initially unsuccessful found great success later. Which means that, generally, a failure at QB is a failure of evaluation, not development.



We keep agreeing like this weíre not gonna have many debates anymore.
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ALL ABOARD THE SWAG TRAIN.
I was wondering WTF you went.
What was the name? So I can avoid it.
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The history of the franchise is entirely irrelevant. Why? Because different front offices and coaching staffs have different evaluative and developmental methods. Josh McDaniels has nothing to do with Elway and company, for example. Even if it did have relevance, that still doesnít preclude the likelihood that the initial evaluation was the issue, not development. Note that Iím not letting the FO off the hook here; they made a mistake. But the mistake was with the initial evaluation, not development. Itís simply naive to believe, as you seem to, that NFL players are pieces of clay who will be successful if molded properly. The reality is that most players drafted, including first rounders, simply donít have all the ingredients and no development will help them. If you dispute this, then there should be a vast list of first round QBs who suck initially but then turn out great when they get with a better coaching staff. But that list is tiny. Jim Plunkett. Steve Young. Maybe you can throw in Testeverde. Thatís it. No first round QB in 30 years who was initially unsuccessful found great success later. Which means that, generally, a failure at QB is a failure of evaluation, not development.
Nonsense. It boils down to one of two things;

You believe a quarterback from the Air Raid system who scouts said would take 2-3 years before he was ready can be developed in 4 games.

I donít.

I now propose that all of our draft picks be judged this way. Letís cut every one that isnít NFL ready in 4 games. What do you think that would do in terms of changing the look of this team?

I believe in player development and you donít.

Thatís it in a nutshell.

BTW...Elway sucked ass his first 4 games. He was worse than Lynch.

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Old 05-17-2018, 12:39 AM   #425
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This is a thread for Swag, not for memphis belle tears
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