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Old 11-13-2017, 01:49 PM   #101
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When they are winning, Elway would be seen eating sunflower seeds. Not lately.
He's cut the seed budget and is now eating fried pork rinds.
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Old 11-13-2017, 01:50 PM   #102
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They showed him in the booth eating them last night.
Sunflower seeds are addicted. Canít blame Mr. Elway. The only gross thing about eating it in public is spitting them out.

Ranch sunflower seeds are so good.
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Old 11-13-2017, 05:46 PM   #104
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No way guys. The "Elway is a cheapskate b****" meme was just an artificial narrative created by SoCal with no basis in fact.


At all.


/Or so I've been told
I almost made a We're Sorry SoCal thread last night but my threads haven't been all that popular lately.
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This just in from Pat Robertson, god is punishing Elway for voting for and being buddies with trump.
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Old 11-13-2017, 07:31 PM   #106
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This just in from Pat Robertson, god is punishing Elway for voting for and being buddies with trump.
Couldn't God just make Elway's wife sleep with Jack Del Rio or something?
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Elway has done alright. He's an anomaly as GM's go. HOF'r, then auto megafranchise owner, Arena league owner.

No GM ever has taken that path. Had nice success until now. We'll see how it plays out because things don't look so good now after pretty much signing himself as the highest paid GM in the NFL and five years to prove something after Peyton Manning and Demarcus Ware.
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Old 11-13-2017, 11:41 PM   #108
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Couldn't God just make Elway's wife sleep with Jack Del Rio or something?
I was thinking of Peyton Hillis myself.
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Old 11-13-2017, 11:55 PM   #109
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If he doesnít sign Manning they probably donít even go to the playoffs again post-2011. One massive free agent signing doesnít make a GM good.

Also Belichick is not a great GM. In that department heís really only average. He benefits massively from having Brady at QB. Also thereís the cheating.
Yes, there is the cheating. I just think it's amazing year after year watching the pats be ehh on D. Then late in the season, these no name players all of a sudden are difference makers. It's unreal. For years this keeps happening.
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Yes, there is the cheating. I just think it's amazing year after year watching the pats be ehh on D. Then late in the season, these no name players all of a sudden are difference makers. It's unreal. For years this keeps happening.
It's called coaching. Practice does not make perfect, perfect practice makes perfect. As the season wears on, technique sharpens, muscle memory kicks in, etc. Bellicheat is a master coach. Terribly compromised, but a deranged genius at his craft.
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It's called coaching. Practice does not make perfect, perfect practice makes perfect. As the season wears on, technique sharpens, muscle memory kicks in, etc. Bellicheat is a master coach. Terribly compromised, but a deranged genius at his craft.
Oh please. Coaching canít make bad players good.
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Elway has done alright. He's an anomaly as GM's go. HOF'r, then auto megafranchise owner, Arena league owner.

No GM ever has taken that path. Had nice success until now. We'll see how it plays out because things don't look so good now after pretty much signing himself as the highest paid GM in the NFL and five years to prove something after Peyton Manning and Demarcus Ware.
Mike Shanahan had very good success early on. He made some very good choices in the players he brought in. When the franchise QB left, he started missing on the draft and FA. He didn't surround himself with good people he trusted to give him the best information. He relied on his GUT feel about players or their ability to be reformed when they had less than a reputable stay somewhere else.

Elway is at the same crossroads. He had the same early success including bringing in impact players to turn things around. For any organization, making that transition from franchise QB to the next one is difficult. John is paying the price now for the lack of transitional talent that he is responsible for. He needs to stand back and re-evaluate himself and those who are advising him or responsible for the team on the field. This isn't just coaching. You must have a team of high talent overall. Denver is playing poor because of it. On paper at the beginning of the season it seemed better than it really was. Perceived strengths aren't what they thought they were and certain hopes didn't pan out. The players aren't playing at a high level no matter how good the practices were.

It is difficult for management, coaches and players to stand in front of the media and state the real truth - "We aren't good enough. I am not good enough. He isn't good enough"

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Oh please. Coaching canít make bad players good.
Maybe not, but player development is a huge thing. It's the thing that makes the Patriots the Patriots. They get the most out of their players. Both with scheme and the best development program in the NFL.

I think John Fox and his staff were near the top of the league in that department. It provided the pieces we needed to win a Superbowl. Under Kubiak that development seemed to slow and we're seeing the results now.
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I think John Fox and his staff were near the top of the league in that department. It provided the pieces we needed to win a Superbowl. Under Kubiak that development seemed to slow and we're seeing the results now.
Lolz. You might want to check in on a Bears fan or two for a refresh.
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It's called coaching. Practice does not make perfect, perfect practice makes perfect. As the season wears on, technique sharpens, muscle memory kicks in, etc. Bellicheat is a master coach. Terribly compromised, but a deranged genius at his craft.
You stole my line that I stole from my little league coach. Practice is just that. If you don't know your opponent or your strengths and weaknesses then practice is for show. Perfect practice for the situation is what is needed.
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This just in from Pat Robertson, god is punishing Elway for voting for and being buddies with trump.
Itís not hurting Kraft. 😡
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Mike Shanahan had very good success early on. He made some very good choices in the players he brought in. When the franchise QB left, he started missing on the draft and FA. He didn't surround himself with good people he trusted to give him the best information. He relied on his GUT feel about players or their ability to be reformed when they had less than a reputable stay somewhere else.

Elway is at the same crossroads. He had the same early success including bringing in impact players to turn things around. For any organization, making that transition from franchise QB to the next one is difficult. John is paying the price now for the lack of transitional talent that he is responsible for. He needs to stand back and re-evaluate himself and those who are advising him or responsible for the team on the field. This isn't just coaching. You must have a team of high talent overall. Denver is playing poor because of it. On paper at the beginning of the season it seemed better than it really was. Perceived strengths aren't what they thought they were and certain hopes didn't pan out. The players aren't playing at a high level no matter how good the practices were.

It is difficult for management, coaches and players to stand in front of the media and state the real truth - "We aren't good enough. I am not good enough. He isn't good enough"
Yeah. Some combination of coaches/scouts/Elway is responsible for all the Offense f-ups both draft and FA. The Defense personnel decisions haven't been so glaringly bad. Letting Fox steal Trevathan was a blunder.
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It's kind of odd how aggressive Elway was as a GM early on and how complacent he is now.

A few years ago he demanded excellence at every position. Elway landed elite and proven talent regularly in Manning, Welker, Sanders, Talib, Ward, Ware, Stewart, Clady (extension), etc. Now he throws millions at average talent like Stephenson, McManus, Green, and Marshall and sits on his hands with trash like Fowler, Davis and Heuerman/Green running rampant.

Think about it. We went from Trevathan/Woodyard to Marshall/Davis. Julius Thomas to Green. Welker to Norwood/Fowler.

Elway is a completely different GM now. You can say that Manning attracted many of our core free-agents but, even so, Denver used to be more proactive. The media would report us being in the race for many of the big names. We haven't heard anything in the last two years outside of Leary and Campbell. It's not like there is no cap, and there would be even more if bad decisions weren't made. And a lot of teams have elite QBs to pay. We don't.
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It's kind of odd how aggressive Elway was as a GM early on and how complacent he is now.

A few years ago he demanded excellence at every position. Elway landed elite and proven talent regularly in Manning, Welker, Sanders, Talib, Ward, Ware, Stewart, Clady (extension), etc.
I'd say most of those dudes wouldn't ever have signed here if it weren't for PFM.
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It's kind of odd how aggressive Elway was as a GM early on and how complacent he is now.

A few years ago he demanded excellence at every position. Elway landed elite and proven talent regularly in Manning, Welker, Sanders, Talib, Ward, Ware, Stewart, Clady (extension), etc. Now he throws millions at average talent like Stephenson, McManus, Green, and Marshall and sits on his hands with trash like Fowler, Davis and Heuerman/Green running rampant.

Think about it. We went from Trevathan/Woodyard to Marshall/Davis. Julius Thomas to Green. Welker to Norwood/Fowler.

Elway is a completely different GM now. You can say that Manning attracted many of our core free-agents but, even so, Denver used to be more proactive. The media would report us being in the race for many of the big names. We haven't heard anything in the last two years outside of Leary and Campbell. It's not like there is no cap, and there would be even more if bad decisions weren't made. And a lot of teams have elite QBs to pay. We don't.
Great post. I really hadn't thought of it that way. Almost makes me wonder if there aren't cash flow issues which make it difficult for them to pay the upfront money the better FA's command. But yeah, the caliber of FA's has dropped dramatically. And perhaps worse, the decision making on them has been really bad. They should have known, for example, what they were getting with both Stephenson and Watson. Terrible moves, both of them. And there's just no creativity. I watch the guy running the show in Philadelphia and he keeps making these outstanding moves (I can provide examples if anyone is interested) the type of which it seems Elway has no ability to make. It's frustrating. And bewildering.
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I don't think JE is getting good advice about players. You have to backfill those good free agent signings with other good players. We have fallen off on the OL, TE, LB, DT, OLB, QB and our veteran defense is getting older. Yes the coaching has fallen off too. Is Elway going to get desperate. We are weakening without a QB on the roster. The near future doesn't look good.
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If they didn't hire Shanahan and Wade because of money then Elway is an idiot. If they didn't hire them because he thought that Joseph would be the better coach, then Elway is about as good of an evaluator of coaching as he is OT and QB. Either way, Elway has a lot of making up to do in this offseason.
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If they didn't hire Shanahan and Wade because of money then Elway is an idiot. If they didn't hire them because he thought that Joseph would be the better coach, then Elway is about as good of an evaluator of coaching as he is OT and QB. Either way, Elway has a lot of making up to do in this offseason.


If it was up to Elway Joseph wouldíve been the 2015 DC, not Wade.

Howís that season end then?

Good thing the Bengals FO saved the broncos from making a stupid decision.
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If they didn't hire Shanahan and Wade because of money then Elway is an idiot. If they didn't hire them because he thought that Joseph would be the better coach, then Elway is about as good of an evaluator of coaching as he is OT and QB. Either way, Elway has a lot of making up to do in this offseason.
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