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Old 02-15-2017, 09:31 AM   #151
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All those trades and basically sucking to make a better future is what happened...just like the Braves. I am worried about my Angels. 1 good season in recent years and now ranked dead last in the minors.
Your Angels could easily have one of the best farm systems if they were willing to commit to a complete tear down and rebuild. This year marks one of their better opportunities to actually compete. If they aren't in contention by the deadline, they should pull the trigger on the rebuild.
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Your Angels could easily have one of the best farm systems if they were willing to commit to a complete tear down and rebuild. This year marks one of their better opportunities to actually compete. If they aren't in contention by the deadline, they should pull the trigger on the rebuild.
everyone wants Trout.
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everyone wants Trout.
Because that is basically all you have. The pitchers show up for 1-2 seasons and then either get hurt or someone happens to them mentally and they cannot put it all back together.
The hitters are either extremely defensive in nature or they hit but only at an inconsistent level and then they bogged themselves down in poor contracts while not addressing key areas of the farm.
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Well, Carter Capps is healthy again and back on a Major League Roster. And his motion still looks as illegal as ever. Seriously, I just have to laugh that MLB still lets him get away with this.


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Well, Carter Capps is healthy again and back on a Major League Roster. And his motion still looks as illegal as ever. Seriously, I just have to laugh that MLB still lets him get away with this.


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I can't imagine it will be. There is a reason why you throw from the rubber. His motion is worse than the supposed dribbling that goes on in the NBA.
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The Yankees not only won their arbitration case against relief ace Dellin Betances today, but it got acrimonious afterwards when team president Randy Levine went on a rant, gloating about winning the case.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Levine on Betances trying to get closer $ as setup man: &quot;It&quot;s like me saying i'm not the Yankees president. I'm an astronaut.&quot;</p>&mdash; Jon Heyman (@JonHeyman) <a href="https://twitter.com/JonHeyman/status/832997015369945089">February 18, 2017</a></blockquote> <script async src="//platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Dellin Betances: &quot;They take me in a room and they trash me Video - via <a href="https://twitter.com/espn">@ESPN</a> App <a href="https://t.co/8AIouAjkUi">https://t.co/8AIouAjkUi</a></p>&mdash; Andrew Marchand (@AndrewMarchand) <a href="https://twitter.com/AndrewMarchand/status/833020714022232065">February 18, 2017</a></blockquote> <script async src="//platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Who decides these Arbitration cases? <br>Chass? Albom?</p>&mdash; Brian Kenny (@MrBrianKenny) <a href="https://twitter.com/MrBrianKenny/status/833028376763969537">February 18, 2017</a></blockquote> <script async src="//platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Everywhere in MLB, outs are outs. Except in arbitration. <br>Who are these guys?</p>&mdash; Brian Kenny (@MrBrianKenny) <a href="https://twitter.com/MrBrianKenny/status/833029788289871872">February 18, 2017</a></blockquote> <script async src="//platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
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What the **** did he expect? He wanted closer money.
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What the **** did he expect? He wanted closer money.
Betances deserves it. He's an elite reliever, on that short list of the best. There's no doubt he would garner $70 million-plus on the free market right now.

Baseball is using all these advanced metrics and has used enlightened thinking to evaluate players but we're going to hold a role against Betances in an archaic arbitration process? And his role was pre-determined because the Yankees began 2016 with Andrew Miller and Aroldis Chapman in the same bullpen.

I don't blame the Yankees for fighting Betances in arbitration though. The owners have an interest in keeping arbitration year salaries down and they don't want to set new benchmarks and re-define the market. But Randy Levine should have kept their victory behind closed doors.

Not many high end relievers enjoy long-term success, so who knows what Betances will be heading into free agency after 2019. Betances has thrown a ton of innings between 2014-16 and last year he showed some chinks in the armor, wearing down in September.

All in all, the Yankees handled the aftermath in poor fashion, but I think Yankee fans shouldn't worry too much about Betances holding a three-year grudge because of the volatility of relievers.
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Well, Carter Capps is healthy again and back on a Major League Roster. And his motion still looks as illegal as ever. Seriously, I just have to laugh that MLB still lets him get away with this.


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Capps lets go of the baseball around 54 feet from the batter.

MLB's explanation is as long as Capps moves forward toward the batter, he's fine.
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr"><a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Yankees?src=hash">#Yankees</a> claim Dellin Betances partially at fault for their decline in ticket sales last year, per <a href="https://twitter.com/BrendanKutyNJ">@BrendanKutyNJ</a> <a href="https://t.co/oFrY2kXHYI">https://t.co/oFrY2kXHYI</a> <a href="https://t.co/7Yr4XYudZo">pic.twitter.com/7Yr4XYudZo</a></p>&mdash; MLB Trade Rumors (@mlbtraderumors) <a href="https://twitter.com/mlbtraderumors/status/833425601776275459">February 19, 2017</a></blockquote> <script async src="//platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
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Betances deserves it. He's an elite reliever, on that short list of the best. There's no doubt he would garner $70 million-plus on the free market right now.

Baseball is using all these advanced metrics and has used enlightened thinking to evaluate players but we're going to hold a role against Betances in an archaic arbitration process? And his role was pre-determined because the Yankees began 2016 with Andrew Miller and Aroldis Chapman in the same bullpen.

I don't blame the Yankees for fighting Betances in arbitration though. The owners have an interest in keeping arbitration year salaries down and they don't want to set new benchmarks and re-define the market. But Randy Levine should have kept their victory behind closed doors.

Not many high end relievers enjoy long-term success, so who knows what Betances will be heading into free agency after 2019. Betances has thrown a ton of innings between 2014-16 and last year he showed some chinks in the armor, wearing down in September.

All in all, the Yankees handled the aftermath in poor fashion, but I think Yankee fans shouldn't worry too much about Betances holding a three-year grudge because of the volatility of relievers.
Levine and Trost have always been morons. They need to stay away from baseball ops.
I do not at all agree with the aftermath of the arbitration case. It was embarrassingly ignorant on the Yankees part.

Betances is a monster, straight up dominant, but no way is he worth 5 mil in arbitration. He's an elite reliever but elite relievers get paid one of two ways, in free agency or through extensions with their teams.

What he would make on the FA market is irrelevant to what he makes under team control.
Relievers also tend to be bad long term investments on massive contracts since they are so damn unpredictable year to year.
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Betances is a monster, straight up dominant, but no way is he worth 5 mil in arbitration. He's an elite reliever but elite relievers get paid one of two ways, in free agency or through extensions with their teams.

What he would make on the FA market is irrelevant to what he makes under team control.
Relievers also tend to be bad long term investments on massive contracts since they are so damn unpredictable year to year.
How is Betances not worth $5 million?

Per Fangraphs
1. Betances has thrown more innings than any reliever in the last three years.
2. Betances was the third-best reliever in baseball by WAR last year.
3. He has the third-best strikeout rate, all-time, among pitchers who have thrown at least 250 innings.

Furthermore, I went back and Betances ranks in the top five of win probability added among relievers between 2014-16 and 2016 and is No. 1 in WPA+ in both 2014-16 and 2016. He's getting the high-leverage outs that are swinging games in favor of the Yankees.

Trevor Rosenthal, entering first year of arbitration, settled for $5.6 million with the Cardinals in 2016. That comp has already been established.

Yes, you are right FA is irrelevant to what players make under team control, but the Yankees are still getting value out of Betances. Franchises do make valuations on year 1-6 team control players, comparing them to the cost of acquiring a comparable player on the FA market.

Betances is age 29 and will likely be over-the-hill when he hits free agency before 2020. He's throwing volume for a reliever in high-stress, high leverage situations between the 7th-9th innings. The Yankees are getting his prime for peanuts because Betances was a late bloomer. I think the right move would have been to show him a little appreciation just for what he has done. The Yankees have asked him to do a lot, two innings in some stints, and he's probably never going to cash in on his prime. Why piss him off?
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How is Betances not worth $5 million?

Per Fangraphs
1. Betances has thrown more innings than any reliever in the last three years.
2. Betances was the third-best reliever in baseball by WAR last year.
3. He has the third-best strikeout rate, all-time, among pitchers who have thrown at least 250 innings.

Furthermore, I went back and Betances ranks in the top five of win probability added among relievers between 2014-16 and 2016 and is No. 1 in WPA+ in both 2014-16 and 2016. He's getting the high-leverage outs that are swinging games in favor of the Yankees.

Trevor Rosenthal, entering first year of arbitration, settled for $5.6 million with the Cardinals in 2016. That comp has already been established.

Yes, you are right FA is irrelevant to what players make under team control, but the Yankees are still getting value out of Betances. Franchises do make valuations on year 1-6 team control players, comparing them to the cost of acquiring a comparable player on the FA market.

Betances is age 29 and will likely be over-the-hill when he hits free agency before 2020. He's throwing volume for a reliever in high-stress, high leverage situations between the 7th-9th innings. The Yankees are getting his prime for peanuts because Betances was a late bloomer. I think the right move would have been to show him a little appreciation just for what he has done. The Yankees have asked him to do a lot, two innings in some stints, and he's probably never going to cash in on his prime. Why piss him off?
3.5 mil yes, but this is his first time through arbitration and he is not a closer. He's an elite reliever but even as great as he is, he's not a closer.
Rosenthal was coming off 2 separate 45+ save seasons.

Closers get paid big money, set up men...do not.
Yes that is a very old way of looking at the game but it is one of the ways in which you can actually control salaries.

Otherwise you will have guys coming in to demand 10 mil for being elite.

Now next year, he's worth 6+ mil. That will be another year of elite level pitching and more advanced stats to prove his case.
5 mil for a non closer in his first year of arbitration? No sir.

Now, I do dislike that the Yankees renewed his contract for the league minimum this past season and that they showed no class in the aftermath of winning the arbitration case.
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3.5 mil yes, but this is his first time through arbitration and he is not a closer. He's an elite reliever but even as great as he is, he's not a closer.
Rosenthal was coming off 2 separate 45+ save seasons.

Closers get paid big money, set up men...do not.
Yes that is a very old way of looking at the game but it is one of the ways in which you can actually control salaries.

Otherwise you will have guys coming in to demand 10 mil for being elite.

Now next year, he's worth 6+ mil. That will be another year of elite level pitching and more advanced stats to prove his case.
5 mil for a non closer in his first year of arbitration? No sir.

Now, I do dislike that the Yankees renewed his contract for the league minimum this past season and that they showed no class in the aftermath of winning the arbitration case.
Betances is an extraordinary setup man, one that has supplanted himself in the conversation for the majors' best reliever. He's an exception. How many setup men in baseball history have three All-Star nods in their first three seasons?

Betances is not even asking for Rosenthal money, his $5 million asking price is still $600K short of Rosenthal's 2016 salary. And Betances is clearly the better pitcher. It's not even an argument.

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ERA 2.16 2.66
WHIP 1.00 1.22
K/9 14.3 11.5
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WAR 8.5 5.7
SV 22 96

Of course the saves were the difference, but Betances deserves slack for operating in the same bullpen with Andrew Miller and Aroldis Chapman. He's a closer on 26 teams in baseball.

And the sad part there are few baseball organizations these days using "saves" as a determining factor in making reliever decisions. They are looking at K/9, swinging strike rate, the way relievers limit hard contact and evaluating the stuff (spin rate, effective velocity). The saves are a bonus and icing on the cake, but the peripheals are the foundation for the investment in guys like Chapman, Jansen, Melancon. Do you think Jeanmar Gomez is going to get $40 million on the free agent market after 2017 because he has "closer experience"? The industry has wised up.

And so arbitration is just like the old Elias Sports Bureau Type A/Type B free agent system, it's outdated. Arbitration needs to be modified to reflect how the industry has changed in the way front offices evaluate relievers.
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Betances is an extraordinary setup man, one that has supplanted himself in the conversation for the majors' best reliever. He's an exception. How many setup men in baseball history have three All-Star nods in their first three seasons?

Betances is not even asking for Rosenthal money, his $5 million asking price is still $600K short of Rosenthal's 2016 salary. And Betances is clearly the better pitcher. It's not even an argument.

First three seasons
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ERA 2.16 2.66
WHIP 1.00 1.22
K/9 14.3 11.5
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WAR 8.5 5.7
SV 22 96

Of course the saves were the difference, but Betances deserves slack for operating in the same bullpen with Andrew Miller and Aroldis Chapman. He's a closer on 26 teams in baseball.

And the sad part there are few baseball organizations these days using "saves" as a determining factor in making reliever decisions. They are looking at K/9, swinging strike rate, the way relievers limit hard contact and evaluating the stuff (spin rate, effective velocity). The saves are a bonus and icing on the cake, but the peripheals are the foundation for the investment in guys like Chapman, Jansen, Melancon. Do you think Jeanmar Gomez is going to get $40 million on the free agent market after 2017 because he has "closer experience"? The industry has wised up.

And so arbitration is just like the old Elias Sports Bureau Type A/Type B free agent system, it's outdated. Arbitration needs to be modified to reflect how the industry has changed in the way front offices evaluate relievers.
I agree with you 100%. But owners want cost certainty. The system is as bad as the spending limits on the draft and international prospects. It pushes serious athletes to college or other sports, young guys come over later and later.

Now, there are benefits to it as well since it has nearly curbed guys directing which team they could go to with bonus demands but still.

Under this system, with baseball being the way it is...Betances was worth 3.5 mil his first trip through arbitration.
In reality he's worth at least Andrew Miller's current contract, but you have to get to near FA before you get that type of money.
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That was the most drawn out fait accompli in baseball.
His only true option was the Nationals. Perfect match really.
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His only true option was the Nationals. Perfect match really.
I would like to see him have a career year similar to what Russell Martin did in Pittsburgh.

I think his perceived defensive weaknesses are overblown, too much has been made of his poor framing, which isn't the most accurate stat to begin with, and he still has the foundation in his hitting skills for a big offensive year.
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