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Old 06-21-2018, 10:46 AM   #1
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Default 'Star Wars' Spin-Offs Reportedly On Hold Due to 'Solo' Flopping

'Star Wars' Spin-Offs Reportedly On Hold Due to 'Solo' Flopping


https://www.yahoo.com/news/apos-star...192400219.html




Hopefully they fire Kathleen Kennedy too.




Good thing they didnt need that loser, geek, male fanbase or anything....

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Old 06-21-2018, 11:20 AM   #2
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Went to see Solo twice in theaters, it was one of the best Star Wars movies IMO....
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Old 06-21-2018, 11:28 AM   #3
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Went to see Solo twice in theaters, it was one of the best Star Wars movies IMO....
Yeah, it wasn't bad. I was hoping after the initial butthurt, fans would trickle into see it.

Turns out TLJ's hangover was just too bad.

Unfortunately, the brain(less) trust at Disney seem to be taking exactly the wrong message.
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This is one of the things about human behavior that drives me nuts. Fix the problem (hangover from the trilogy) itself, not a symptom of the problem. Own the mistake.
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Solo was okay...it was always going to do worse than maybe it should because a lot of people still have a bad taste in their mouth from TLJ and I really can't blame them.

Kennedy should be fired.The handling of the Star Wars franchise since Disney got it has been a **** show.
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If Solo had not been killed off in the Force Awakens, then I bet more people would be interested. Hard to start a book when you've read the last half and know the ending... this goes for movies about Han Solo too.
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If Solo had not been killed off in the Force Awakens, then I bet more people would be interested. Hard to start a book when you've read the last half and know the ending... this goes for movies about Han Solo too.
Well Han was at a defacto end either way. Harrison was never going to do another movie. Nor should he have. The one was a touch of a stretch.

And Obi-wan was probably the best part of the prequels, even though we knew where he ended.
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So Jar Jar Binks sequel is out...I was looking forward to seeing them cast Larry Fitzgerald, Ronaldo or Steven Tyler as his family.
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If Solo had not been killed off in the Force Awakens, then I bet more people would be interested. Hard to start a book when you've read the last half and know the ending... this goes for movies about Han Solo too.
I don't think it matters. The movie got hated on and people didn't go see it. People's attention span is way short to reconsider initial opinions.

I enjoyed it. It was the 6th best "Star Wars" movie. Which makes it the 5th worst. All depending on how you have you glass of water.

I mean its better than all 16 Fast and furious movies.
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And Obi-wan was probably the best part of the prequels, even though we knew where he ended.
He was the only redeeming part of the prequels...Besides Darth Maul.
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Old 06-21-2018, 12:31 PM   #12
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TLJ SJW hangover, sorry Han Soylo.

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Star Wars since Disney has been uneven that is certain. But a lot of it comes down to personal preference and the stories made up in peoples' heads not matching what is put on the screen. How do you make all of those people (or even a majority of them) happy?

I'm an original SW fan, A New Hope was the first movie I saw in theaters. I was 6.

Part of me is just happy to see almost ANYTHING Star Wars.

But in my opinion, the new Disney-fied movies are uneven. Overall I have liked them but not loved them. With the exception of Rogue One, which I really enjoyed. Does that make it a great movie? Not necessarily. It just means that it hit the sweet spots more often than not with me.

TFA was good but not great. I liked TLJ and most people I talk to did as well but apparently it polarized fans like no other SW movie. Solo? For me it was just...fine. Didn't suck, but wasn't great. Haven't seen it again yet. For reference, by the time Attack of the Clones was out for a month, I had seen it 3 times.

Why doesn't this phenomena happen with Marvel? Half of their movies are pure **** and the other half are just ok and they have a long time fan base. Why don't we see Marvel fans ready to feed the people running MCU to the Rancor?

It's fascinating to watch this unfold.
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Marvel hasn't completely **** on beloved characters. They butchered the original cast and added a bunch of new characters that are hollow in comparison. Especially Rey who is a total Mary Sue. With Marvel the movies are based on comics that the vast majority of the population has never read. With Star Wars it came from a series that hundreds of millions have seen.

The solution with this is not to can everything except new trilogies. It's to get Kathleen Kennedy the **** out of the building and to completely change their approach. One of the first things she did was literally hire some ultra diverse group of writers to help weave **** in. Star Wars isn't about social justice commentary and TLJ was the worst of that and more. Rian Johnson claims to have been a big Star Wars fan, but watching TLJ I just can't ****ing see how that's true.

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Marvel hasn't completely **** on beloved characters. They butchered the original cast and added a bunch of new characters that are hollow in comparison. Especially Rey who is a total Mary Sue. With Marvel the movies are based on comics that the vast majority of the population has never read. With Star Wars it came from a series that hundreds of millions have seen.
OK. I can see that about Marvel. But the real Marvel fan boys have had years and years to draw up preconceived notions to be outraged about when the films don't meet their expectations.

I can even see what you are saying about Rey but she doesn't bother me. It's actually part of what I like about her. Is there a (purposeful) reason she is a Mary Sue? Maybe. Or maybe not. But it hasn't been a deal breaker for me. IMO, Finn is useless and more problematic than Rey.
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OK. I can see that about Marvel. But the real Marvel fan boys have had years and years to draw up preconceived notions to be outraged about when the films don't meet their expectations.

I can even see what you are saying about Rey but she doesn't bother me. It's actually part of what I like about her. Is there a (purposeful) reason she is a Mary Sue? Maybe.
This was the question that allowed her character to flow acceptably from TFA to TLJ.

Then Ruin spit out "It doesn't matter, she's simply Super Rey! And Luke's a worthless old coot who we're going to kill needlessly instead of easily defeating Kylo with hyperspace missiles."
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Solo wasn't terrible, it just wasn't very good. Fans made a point of voting with their money dis-satisfaction with the way franchise is going post the Last Jedi which was pathetically terrible.

This is no different than fans turning off the broncos games when they go 3-13 or no showing at home games or not buying merchandise. It's the only thing the fans can really do to show they are unhappy with the way things are going.

Kathleen Kennedy sucks. Her vision for Star wars is awful. Star wars fans don't care about black, white, male, female, whatever. They just want a good story about their universe which isn't steeping in social justice issues. That's why people go to sporting events, the movies, they want to be whisked away to fantasy land void of all the stupidity you see on fox, msnbc, facebook, etc, on a daily basis.

Kennedy seems determined to make Star Wars about what she's interested in and her interests are lame and boring as **** on the big screen. Nobody cares what she thinks, they want to explore this galaxy through the context and laws that have been put in place.

Disney should $hit-can Kennedy with the quickness and bring in somebody who's better at telling stories and give the people a movie the fans will care about.
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This, the fact that they had to re shoot TLJ, Rogue One, and Solo screams to her incompetence. Amazing that she is still employed.

I actually liked Solo, I need to see it again because we had the worst seats in the theater.

If I am honest with myself I am mostly done with the old story line. I find the off shoots more interesting.
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Kennedy is beloved in the industry because of her relationship with Spielberg and Lucas beforehand. The problem is she won't be going anywhere because Iger loves her. Like I said on the thread that shall not be named, she has been involved with some of my favorite movies but she has never had this amount of power before and Iger has given her a very long leash.
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Why doesn't this phenomena happen with Marvel? Half of their movies are pure **** and the other half are just ok and they have a long time fan base. Why don't we see Marvel fans ready to feed the people running MCU to the Rancor?
Because most their movies are good and some are great. You may not like them that much, but then you liked Attack of the Clones.
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OK. I can see that about Marvel. But the real Marvel fan boys have had years and years to draw up preconceived notions to be outraged about when the films don't meet their expectations.
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The thing with superhero movies is that they can be rebooted from year to year and people are willing to accept that because the comic books have hundreds of storylines to borrow from. I predict we will see pushback though when we finally see the reboots of Ironman or Thor since it will be more difficult to separate the actor from the character.
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Kennedy is beloved in the industry because of her relationship with Spielberg and Lucas beforehand. The problem is she won't be going anywhere because Iger loves her. Like I said on the thread that shall not be named, she has been involved with some of my favorite movies but she has never had this amount of power before and Iger has given her a very long leash.
There's only so long this can go on though.

Sidelining everyone else with only another ****ing Ruin Johnson trilogy (TRILOGY!) to look forward to would be actual franchise suicide.

These guys should be desperately seeking fresh directors and new ideas. Instead they're doubling down on the one place nobody wants to go.
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The thing with superhero movies is that they can be rebooted from year to year and people are willing to accept that because the comic books have hundreds of storylines to borrow from. I predict we will see pushback though when we finally see the reboots of Ironman or Thor since it will be more difficult to separate the actor from the character.
Plus the vast majority of Marvel moviegoers are pretty much completely non-invested in the comic books.

The movies are just directed by people who understand what bread and butter tastes like more than they're looking for a pulpit from which to preach.
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Plus the vast majority of Marvel moviegoers are pretty much completely non-invested in the comic books.

The movies are just directed by people who understand what bread and butter tastes like more than they're looking for a pulpit from which to preach.
The Marvel movies have actually done quite a bit in terms of promoting diversity, they've just done it in a way that hasn't felt heavy-handed and insulting. I always laugh a bit at the racial makeup of Asgardians though. That part is silly.
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The Marvel movies have actually done quite a bit in terms of promoting diversity, they've just done it in a way that hasn't felt heavy-handed and insulting. I always laugh a bit at the racial makeup of Asgardians though. That part is silly.
There's just no reason to bring modern day real-world political tropes into our scifi and fantasy worlds.

Half the reason they exist and are so popular is because they're freely allowed to set those weights aside. They're a refuge. An escape.
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