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Old 11-19-2018, 11:17 AM   #1
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I put this in another thread but figured this could be a fun debate.

There were 5 key plays to this game.

#1 VJ not kicking a FG from the 6 yard line in the first half

#2 P.I. on Patrick

#3 VJ not throwing in the red flag on that two point conversion

#4 Rivers chucking the ball into the ground on 3rd down.

#5 Von Millers Pick and run.


Which is the worst ?? You choose.

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Old 11-19-2018, 11:21 AM   #2
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#3 was the worst. easily. The outcome was decided. he just had to understand to drop the flag on the ground and get 2 points.
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Old 11-19-2018, 11:21 AM   #3
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#4 ...as i don't think even VJ and Keenum will screw up like that..
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Old 11-19-2018, 11:23 AM   #4
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#3. If for some reason they decide there isn't enough evidence to overturn, then Broncos lose a timeout. That combined with #4 and the Chargers are kneeling on the ball to run out the clock. If they do decide the extra point is good, then its a tie game, and completely changes the last 2 series for each team.
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Old 11-19-2018, 11:24 AM   #5
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Von's INT was spectacular....just wow!
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Old 11-19-2018, 11:25 AM   #6
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Von's INT was spectacular....just wow!
You know I forgot about that. That was huge. I will edit it . Thanks.
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1) Take the points early. Always.

It makes all the other points moot (2 & 3 are solved with better refs calling plays correctly).
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#4.
Take at least 35 to 40 seconds off the clock and we can't be sure we would be in field goal range with 1:05 left.
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#4 Rivers chucking the ball into the ground on 3rd down because of when it came -

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It's not #3 because there is a 2nd part to that remains unknown. Even had he thrown it there is no guarantee they call it indisputable.
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Von Miller’s pick was the biggest impact play IMO.
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I didn't have a problem with the decision of going for the 4th and 1, and I didn't have a problem with the playcall. They just came up short. **** happens. If they don't go for it, VJ is called soft. If they get the first down, we're not talking about it.

I don't get why they didn't challenge that 2-point conversion. I believe Joseph said that they (his staff in the booth) didn't have a good angle of it. I have no idea how it works with teams getting the camera angles. Do they get all of the same angles that are shown on the broadcast? Because there was one angle that clearly showed that he got in, and a second angle that wasn't as clear, but it did make it look close. If they saw the same angles that we saw, then I have a problem with them not challenging that. If they didn't have a good look and decided to not risk a TO, I can live with that. But why wouldn't they have all the camera angles?

That offensive PI. WTF was that? That was beyond terrible. I don't really believe that the fix was in, but c'mon! What were the refs looking at? I was wondering if there was a push off or something, but the replays didn't show that.
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How did we at home have the view and this staff/upstairs didn’t?



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It's not #3 because there is a 2nd part to that remains unknown. Even had he thrown it there is no guarantee they call it indisputable.



Yep. That was the biggest out of these choices.
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#3 was not the worst. It wasn’t even bad considering the facts. VJ said that his guys upstairs didn’t have the view to say one way or the other. That isn’t his fault. IIRC, the definitive view the TV audience got was not until after the commercial break.

He can’t/shouldn’t throw a flag, and risk a timeout in that situation, based on no view. Besides, didn’t the CBS network referee say that was a play that is auto-reviewed? If anything, the league blew it, not VJ.

IMO, Von’s pick was the key to the game, as it seemed to energize the entire team, shift momentum, and get them out of a funk. The eventual TD was huge also as it clearly telegraphed to the chargers that the Broncos weren’t going to roll-over.
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How did we at home have the view and this staff/upstairs didn’t?



Dumb, thats why there is replay. Without a slow motion view, its hard to see that his knee doesn't touch and the tip of the ball crosses the line by an inch. How do they not have a better view of the play? They have a good 2 minutes. I knew after the first replay there was a good chance he got in.
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How did we at home have the view and this staff/upstairs didn’t?



Not sure how looked at home but they didn’t show the replay at the stadium. They only time they showed a replay for challenge was that Emmanuel Sanders “fumble” but that’s auto reviewed.

Reality is, HC is just going off what his staff is telling him in challenges. Not sure what rule is in terms of how long you have to decide to challenge.

Since all scoring plays are reviewed refs need to call scoring plays scores if it’s anything close.
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OP needs to reconsider his thread title- “Which play had the biggest outcome on winning the game.”

#’s 1, 2, & 3 are irrelevant to the thread title because they are negative plays that didn’t help the Broncos win. They would be better suited for a thread titled “...biggest outcome on LOSING the game.”

For example, #2 should be replaced with the pass that Keenum threw to Sutton(?) after the BS PI call that set up the game winning FG. Just a thought.
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Not sure how looked at home but they didn’t show the replay at the stadium. They only time they showed a replay for challenge was that Emmanuel Sanders “fumble” but that’s auto reviewed.

Reality is, HC is just going off what his staff is telling him in challenges. Not sure what rule is in terms of how long you have to decide to challenge.

Since all scoring plays are reviewed refs need to call scoring plays scores if it’s anything close.



That’s what I mean. There’s people upstairs whos job it is to relay info down to the sidelines. Fouts was wondering why no challenge while repeating the replay clearly showing no knee was down. There was time to challenge.

This would’ve been a monster issue had they lost by minimal margin. It would’ve been on VJ but someone else’s fault for not telling him to.
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The long pass play to E. Sanders to start the last drive was also a big play. I think it gave CK and the Offense a big momentum and confidence boost.
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I missed the 2pt conversion, and I'm yet to see any replay of it. Anyone got one?
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As much as I hate VJ I'm ok with #1. #3 was unforgiveable but typical VJ so you have to factor it in at this point. #4 was the game changer imo that was mind blowing.
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I missed the 2pt conversion, and I'm yet to see any replay of it. Anyone got one?
I will paint a picture for you with my words: Imagine someone diving parallel to the ground and touching the goal line with the ball before any part of their body touches the ground. Like, exactly how you're supposed to.
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OP needs to reconsider his thread title- “Which play had the biggest outcome on winning the game.”

#’s 1, 2, & 3 are irrelevant to the thread title because they are negative plays that didn’t help the Broncos win. They would be better suited for a thread titled “...biggest outcome on LOSING the game.”

For example, #2 should be replaced with the pass that Keenum threw to Sutton(?) after the BS PI call that set up the game winning FG. Just a thought.
OP is Quoydogs so confusion will happen. I also was going to say Sutton's catch to get us the gw field goal. Then I read the choices.
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OP needs to reconsider his thread title- “Which play had the biggest outcome on winning the game.”
I figured it was just some sarcastic/ironic type title. win-loss style.
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I will paint a picture for you with my words: Imagine someone diving parallel to the ground and touching the goal line with the ball before any part of their body touches the ground. Like, exactly how you're supposed to.
That's pretty much it. Did the knee or leg hit the ground before the ball crossed? Nope. The ball crossed the goalline, and even touched down on the goalline, before Keenum's knee hit down. It was close, so I can see how the ref didn't get the call right. It was a bang-bang play. But that's what replay is for, and slowing it down, it was pretty clear that the ball crossed before the knee went down.
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