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Old 09-21-2017, 10:53 AM   #101
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I find the NBA veterans' disdain for the younger generation so puzzling.
It's the same as the older generations' disdain for the younger generation in real life.
They had it hard, they made life easier for us to endure in their minds and now we still want even more comfort.
They feel they broke their backs to make today possible for us and that we take it for granted.
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It's the same as the older generations' disdain for the younger generation in real life.
They had it hard, they made life easier for us to endure in their minds and now we still want even more comfort.
They feel they broke their backs to make today possible for us and that we take it for granted.
But you don't see it nearly as much in other sports. Retired NBA legends seem to line up to remind people that they can beat these young whippersnappers. Its weird.
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Old 09-21-2017, 11:07 AM   #103
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But you don't see it nearly as much in other sports. Retired NBA legends seem to line up to remind people that they can beat these young whippersnappers. Its weird.
It happens in the NFL a ton as well but most ignore the older NFL vets because the game has changed so much and rarely do you see a NFL star on the level of a NBA one in terms of impacting the franchise and the game in a individual way.

The NBA also has an issue with lazy comparisons. They always want to dub someone the next Jordan, Bird, Magic, Shaq, Kobe or etc.

Imagine if you were constantly talked about and proclaimed as the greatest poster in OM history(just roll with the analogy)and then people constantly kept saying "This poster is just as good as SonOfLe-loLang". "Man, this cat is going to be even better than SonOfLe-loLang".
"We need to match up SonOfLe-loLang vs the new blood".

When you are talking about one of the most ego driven and superstar supported sports in the world...then you have people who constantly bring up things that tread on that ego, it's gonna be hard to ignore.
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I've never followed the NBA closely but I imagine part of it is the contracts. Average players today make more than the greats ever did, right? Gotta be some jealousy there.
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I don't know if I would say "bad" but we should have got more in return. Nurkic was a bad fit in Denver in our scheme and isn't an iron man out on the court.
Shipping out a 1st round pick to get the deal done made no sense.

Who out there was giving Plumlee $41 million bucks? Nobody
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It happens in the NFL a ton as well but most ignore the older NFL vets because the game has changed so much and rarely do you see a NFL star on the level of a NBA one in terms of impacting the franchise and the game in a individual way.

The NBA also has an issue with lazy comparisons. They always want to dub someone the next Jordan, Bird, Magic, Shaq, Kobe or etc.

Imagine if you were constantly talked about and proclaimed as the greatest poster in OM history(just roll with the analogy)and then people constantly kept saying "This poster is just as good as SonOfLe-loLang". "Man, this cat is going to be even better than SonOfLe-loLang".
"We need to match up SonOfLe-loLang vs the new blood".

When you are talking about one of the most ego driven and superstar supported sports in the world...then you have people who constantly bring up things that tread on that ego, it's gonna be hard to ignore.
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I've never followed the NBA closely but I imagine part of it is the contracts. Average players today make more than the greats ever did, right? Gotta be some jealousy there.
Definitely
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Shipping out a 1st round pick to get the deal done made no sense.

Who out there was giving Plumlee $41 million bucks? Nobody
That's because Nurkic was barely performing and I'm sure the Nugs brass thought they were dumping dead weight. I'm just pointing out that I'm shocked they weren't able to get something more equitable.
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lol. In a nutshell, this.
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That's because Nurkic was barely performing and I'm sure the Nugs brass thought they were dumping dead weight. I'm just pointing out that I'm shocked they weren't able to get something more equitable.
Nurkic's revival is a useful reminder that only a half-dozen or so superstars translate independently across any roster. Everyone else is a plant seeking the right habitat.

In Denver, Nurkic set screens for point guards who inspired no fear. In Portland, he dances with Damian Lillard and CJ McCollum, lethal pull-up shooters who draw traps 30 feet from the rim. Nurkic suddenly had space to rampage, and holy hell, did he rampage...

He understood defenses would swarm Lillard and McCollum early, and adjusted by slipping screens -- darting toward the paint before even setting a pick -- way more often in Portland than in Denver, per Synergy Sports. Nurkic isn't a leaper, but he's explosive on the horizontal plane; he can zip from the foul line to the rim in a flash.

"We didn't know the extent of his game," said C.J. McCollum, who watched a lot of film with Nurkic early to accelerate their two-man chemistry. "He's huge, but he can make plays without being a klutz."

Nurkic became a fundamentally different player. He migrated outside, and exchanged brute force post-ups for pick-and-roll devastation. (It also helped that he, like, tried.) Most promising of all, he showed the passing chops to run Portland's offense from the elbows, easing the creative burden on Lillard and McCollum.


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Nurkic's revival is a useful reminder that only a half-dozen or so superstars translate independently across any roster. Everyone else is a plant seeking the right habitat.

In Denver, Nurkic set screens for point guards who inspired no fear. In Portland, he dances with Damian Lillard and CJ McCollum, lethal pull-up shooters who draw traps 30 feet from the rim. Nurkic suddenly had space to rampage, and holy hell, did he rampage...

He understood defenses would swarm Lillard and McCollum early, and adjusted by slipping screens -- darting toward the paint before even setting a pick -- way more often in Portland than in Denver, per Synergy Sports. Nurkic isn't a leaper, but he's explosive on the horizontal plane; he can zip from the foul line to the rim in a flash.

"We didn't know the extent of his game," said C.J. McCollum, who watched a lot of film with Nurkic early to accelerate their two-man chemistry. "He's huge, but he can make plays without being a klutz."

Nurkic became a fundamentally different player. He migrated outside, and exchanged brute force post-ups for pick-and-roll devastation. (It also helped that he, like, tried.) Most promising of all, he showed the passing chops to run Portland's offense from the elbows, easing the creative burden on Lillard and McCollum.


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This backs up what I said earlier. He was in the wrong system after we fired the last coach. But the Nugs didn't take that into consideration. Trading him was the right idea. But the return was poor.
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This backs up what I said earlier. He was in the wrong system after we fired the last coach. But the Nugs didn't take that into consideration. Trading him was the right idea. But the return was poor.
Yes, I can understand the idea of trading him. Joker/nurk combo wasn't going to work. But, the trade sucked ass no matter what.

The positive out of the Plumlee deal it's only 3 years
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Yes, I can understand the idea of trading him. Joker/nurk combo wasn't going to work. But, the trade sucked ass no matter what.

The positive out of the Plumlee deal it's only 3 years
The negative is that it's likely they will be attaching a 1st round pick to get rid of him by next year.
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">New York is in serious talks on a Carmelo Anthony trade to Oklahoma City, league sources tells ESPN.</p>&mdash; Adrian Wojnarowski (@wojespn) <a href="https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/911636264562151424">September 23, 2017</a></blockquote> <script async src="//platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">New York is in serious talks on a Carmelo Anthony trade to Oklahoma City, league sources tells ESPN.</p>&mdash; Adrian Wojnarowski (@wojespn) <a href="https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/911636264562151424">September 23, 2017</a></blockquote> <script async src="//platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
What assets do OKC have to offer NY, other than bad contracts?
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">New York has agreed to a deal to send Carmelo Anthony to OKC for Enes Kanter, Doug McDermott and a draft pick, league sources tell ESPN.</p>&mdash; Adrian Wojnarowski (@wojespn) <a href="https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/911637746124558336">September 23, 2017</a></blockquote> <script async src="//platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">New York has agreed to a deal to send Carmelo Anthony to OKC for Enes Kanter, Doug McDermott and a draft pick, league sources tell ESPN.</p>&mdash; Adrian Wojnarowski (@wojespn) <a href="https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/911637746124558336">September 23, 2017</a></blockquote> <script async src="//platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
Wow. Gotta hand it to Sam Presti this offseason. He dumped two bad contracts (Oladipo and Kanter) and little of real value (unless you like Sabonis) for George and Anthony. Surprised NY would take Kanter's contract. I bet the draft pick will be a '19 or '20 1st. NY will gamble that George and Westbrook both bolt.
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">New York has agreed to a deal to send Carmelo Anthony to OKC for Enes Kanter, Doug McDermott and a draft pick, league sources tell ESPN.</p>&mdash; Adrian Wojnarowski (@wojespn) <a href="https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/911637746124558336">September 23, 2017</a></blockquote> <script async src="//platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
They had been wanting to get rid of Kanter for some time now so it's perfect for them and McDermott is a ****ing bust.
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Wow. Gotta hand it to Sam Presti this offseason. He dumped two bad contracts (Oladipo and Kanter) and little of real value (unless you like Sabonis) for George and Anthony. Surprised NY would take Kanter's contract. I bet the draft pick will be a '19 or '20 1st. NY will gamble that George and Westbrook both bolt.
Landed Anthony and George + a 207 mil contract in his face along with being the man in OKC...naw, I think Russell just wanted some talent upgraded around him before committing.
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Sources: OKC will send New York a 2018 second-round pick via Chicago.</p>&mdash; Adrian Wojnarowski (@wojespn) <a href="https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/911638816976510977">September 23, 2017</a></blockquote>
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That Chicago deal was the best thing to ever happen to OKC.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Russell Westbrook and Paul George played an immense part in getting Anthony to waive no-trade for OKC, league sources tell ESPN.</p>&mdash; Adrian Wojnarowski (@wojespn) <a href="https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/911639426249486336">September 23, 2017</a></blockquote>
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Landed Anthony and George + a 207 mil contract in his face along with being the man in OKC...naw, I think Russell just wanted some talent upgraded around him before committing.
Well of course, the goal was to upgrade the talent, but to do so while also shedding bad contracts and giving up little of value (depending on what the draft pick turns out to be) is a coup. And if things don't work out, George is gone after the season and Carmelo in two. They might even be able to move Carmelo for something in the last year. Of course, they probably lose Russ in that scenario, too, but at least they won't have bad contracts holding back the rebuild. Masterful work by Presti, IMO.
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Well of course, the goal was to upgrade the talent, but to do so while also shedding bad contracts and giving up little of value (depending on what the draft pick turns out to be) is a coup. And if things don't work out, George is gone after the season and Carmelo in two. They might even be able to move Carmelo for something in the last year. Of course, they probably lose Russ in that scenario, too, but at least they won't have bad contracts holding back the rebuild.
I was referencing the part of your post about the Knicks gambling on Westbrook leaving.
At this point, Russ has no real reason to leave other than simply wanting to leave.
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Sources: OKC will send New York a 2018 second-round pick via Chicago.</p>&mdash; Adrian Wojnarowski (@wojespn) <a href="https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/911638816976510977">September 23, 2017</a></blockquote>
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That Chicago deal was the best thing to ever happen to OKC.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Russell Westbrook and Paul George played an immense part in getting Anthony to waive no-trade for OKC, league sources tell ESPN.</p>&mdash; Adrian Wojnarowski (@wojespn) <a href="https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/911639426249486336">September 23, 2017</a></blockquote>
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Presti basically traded Ilbaka for George (Oladipo and Sabonis were the return for Ilbaka).
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I was referencing the part of your post about the Knicks gambling on Westbrook leaving.
At this point, Russ has no real reason to leave other than simply wanting to leave.
Depends on what move George makes after the season. If he still bolts for the Lakers, this wouldn't impact Russ's long-term plans.
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Depends on what move George makes after the season. If he still bolts for the Lakers, this wouldn't impact Russ's long-term plans.
I think George to the Lakers is overblown if he plays well with Russ. Russ is the best teammate he has ever played with. Then you add in Carmelo as the 3rd option and that's potentially deadly on offense. Even if you bolt for the Lakers you are not likely to get better than that since it would be LeBron #1, George #2 and Ball #3.
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