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Old 09-12-2018, 04:31 AM   #1
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I think he generalises (not all super rich are bad people living in a bubble) but he's basically saying things the corporatised media won't, and things that ring very true.

I think this is something we can all agree with.
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Anyone who holds hordes wealth while there are homeless and hungry in their own country are bad people.
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Anyone who holds hordes wealth while there are homeless and hungry in their own country are bad people.
Ah, is that true? The more I make, even though I have no kids and live super cheap, I feel like there is never enough and being more giving is difficult. I don't think they are bad people, we just prioritize of self above community in this country... its winner take all, zero sum game for many and welfare of other human beings is ascended down the list. I think this why we can't get basic healthcare system in place that works and is less expensive- people don't like the idea of others getting even sliver more than they get themselves.

Truth is there are resources to help people get back on their feet, many chose not to use them. It goes both ways.
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Anyone who holds hordes wealth while there are homeless and hungry in their own country are bad people.
So they don't have a right to keep what they earned because other people are addicted to drugs and/or are mentally ill and refuse treatment?

LMAO...

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Truth is there are resources to help people get back on their feet, many chose not to use them. It goes both ways.
The single biggest one regarding homeless people is that they have to be clean. Shelters rightly boot out the stoned as well as those who refuse to stay on their meds and are disruptive and often violent toward others.
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Everyone is subject to the human condition and everybody has the same kind of problems no matter how much wealth they have. I donate money all the time, but the most precious thing I donate is my time.
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Ah, is that true? The more I make, even though I have no kids and live super cheap, I feel like there is never enough and being more giving is difficult. I don't think they are bad people, we just prioritize of self above community in this country... its winner take all, zero sum game for many and welfare of other human beings is ascended down the list. I think this why we can't get basic healthcare system in place that works and is less expensive- people don't like the idea of others getting even sliver more than they get themselves.

Truth is there are resources to help people get back on their feet, many chose not to use them. It goes both ways.
I don't feel that someone making less than 70K a year single or 200K a year with two kids is being selfish by taking care of themselves. My comments are directed mostly at the super rich who could end world hunger and shelter insecurity 100 times over if they just wouldn't feel the compulsive need to horde money.

We need a culture change where we find the value in lifting up those around us. It's why I participate in so many community inititives here in the city to do just that. It's not a quick thing to make happen, but helping just a few people a day, knowing that they have shelter and food security makes me happy. For me, that's enough to contribute part of my paycheck toward each week.

I don't disagree about resources being available. The problem there is, many people in these positions of need don't know how to get them. Or worse don't know about them. This is by design on the government. We also need to remove the societal stigma of accepting help in these forms. Do I think you should be able to live on the system forever? No. But these systems are designed to help people get back on their feet.

In short, better education, access and less stigma will all help.
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So they don't have a right to keep what they earned because other people are addicted to drugs and/or are mentally ill and refuse treatment?

LMAO...

OK Comrade Lenin.
Many mentally ill don't have enough money to pay in cash for psychiatric services, which can be expensive and on-going. I deal with this all the time at this hospital, and I don't even deal with homeless, I usually have people in crisis hanging by a thread who can't get in to see a provider, insurance they have doesn't cover it or simply don't have the out of pocket cash.

There are people who chose to live using and homeless, its the people above that would benefit from a cohesive mental health system
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The single biggest one regarding homeless people is that they have to be clean. Shelters rightly boot out the stoned as well as those who refuse to stay on their meds and are disruptive and often violent toward others.
of course, we need to focus on those gesturing a willingness... but we take care of the unwilling either way, throw a brick threw a window on a cold night and get to jail, or present to Denver Health with abdominal pain.... its all gets paid for whether we think it does or not.
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I don't feel that someone making less than 70K a year single or 200K a year with two kids is being selfish by taking care of themselves. My comments are directed mostly at the super rich who could end world hunger and shelter insecurity 100 times over if they just wouldn't feel the compulsive need to horde money.

We need a culture change where we find the value in lifting up those around us. It's why I participate in so many community inititives here in the city to do just that. It's not a quick thing to make happen, but helping just a few people a day, knowing that they have shelter and food security makes me happy. For me, that's enough to contribute part of my paycheck toward each week.

I don't disagree about resources being available. The problem there is, many people in these positions of need don't know how to get them. Or worse don't know about them. This is by design on the government. We also need to remove the societal stigma of accepting help in these forms. Do I think you should be able to live on the system forever? No. But these systems are designed to help people get back on their feet.

In short, better education, access and less stigma will all help.

Like i said, we take of everyone anyway, we just chose to do in a disjointed way that costs 2-3 times as much as it should.

Heck, borrow the money and take of everyone, we have no problems with debt and borrowing in this country... i certainly don't care anymore....
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Agreed.
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The support system from the government is broken in this country.
And Ben Carson is destroying what is left of it.
I can give you the example of my brother in law.

Disabled because he has MS and one hand after losing it in a box cutting machine ( which is how his MS diagnosis then happened) , his wife divorced him since she had three kids to care for and he no longer could get any money to support them. His disability was about 1K a month from SSDI at that time ( about 98).

Luckily his wife had a job at the county so when he was divorced she had to cobra him onto Kaiser. But his MS meds were 1400 a month if he lost Kaiser, since Medicare doesn't cover them. So Kaiser insurance was a real help as his copay was only 40 a month . Medicare was really not paying ANY of his care then.


So after his parents became ill and went into nursing homes they had to sell their farm to pay for the care they needed. Up til then Wayne could stay at the farm house. Once that was sold he was homeless.

So in 99 he moved in with my wife and I in Oregon. We had recently had our last child leave us empty nesters. And we registered him at the county to get housing assistance. That is when we STARTED to find out about the shyt that is HUD assistance.

When we registered him there was a waiting list. He didn't have dependent children with him...so he was nearly last on the list. And every year you have to confirm that you are still at the same address, and still need assistance because they CALL to make sure you are still there. (How does a homeless person manage to get that call. How does a homeless person manage to stay in the same place). So we waited...and waited...and waited .

And finally After SIX YEARS he made it to the the top and we got him section 8 assistance. He could now get into an apartment by himself. By then his SSDI had gone to about 1300 a month , his Kaiser insurance was about 300. His rent was about 200. Tight , but doable.

Now nearly 10 years later, his SSDI is about 1650 a month....and his Kaiser insurance has gone from the 300 then to 875 a month, because they now consider him high risk pool. It jumped from 500 to 875 over the last two years. and his rent is down to 125....because his medical costs are so high.

And Ben Carson now wants to change sec 8 ...He wants all in it to pay 35% minimum of their income as rent. And he wants to eliminate medical costs as part of the rent determination. Because obviously these free loaders are sucking up the resources that so deservedly should go to the military, and the border wall, and ICE and such. Oh and Trumps pockets.
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So they don't have a right to keep what they earned because other people are addicted to drugs and/or are mentally ill and refuse treatment?

LMAO...

OK Comrade Lenin.
How exactly does one ďearnĒ billions of dollars?
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Unfortunately, it seems that mankind is incapable of getting off of the same old hamster wheel of history. The patterns repeat themselves over and over again and the story never changes: We cannot control our lizard brains. Greed always wins, even when its victory destroys everything. America is at its Marie Antoinette moment. Trump in the White House is the perfect symbol of our times. A totally vain, self-centered, self-deluded, greedy narcissist at the brink of our destruction telling us how great he is and how great everything he touches has become. A veritable tsunami of bull**** from one end to the other.

You can pretty easily see what's coming next, but like Chris Hedges points out, the people who really should know, don't have a clue (because they live in a bubble), or know and don't give a ****. Like Hedges points out, when you eliminate all the safety valves, eventually, something will blow.

"The reality of our system is that corporations have become predators on our government and our taxpayer money, and we're all going to pay for it." Chris Hedges

"The people who are running Wall Street don't give a damn about this, they know it's going to collapse. And what they're doing is stealing as much, as fast as they can, on their way out the door. There's a very deep cynicism." CH

"I think they know it's going to be toast and they're going to survive it in their gated compounds." CH

It's ironic. The right screams against socialism for the people (which might actually help us all) while supporting a form of corporate socialism which is destroying the country.
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Everyone is subject to the human condition and everybody has the same kind of problems no matter how much wealth they have.
What an absurd statement.
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I don't feel that someone making less than 70K a year single or 200K a year with two kids is being selfish by taking care of themselves. My comments are directed mostly at the super rich who could end world hunger and shelter insecurity 100 times over if they just wouldn't feel the compulsive need to horde money.
Sorry, that's just not how it works.

You don't feed the hungry over the long term by shipping them money or supplies. In fact, trying to do so can have disastrous consequences the other way, like mowing down local farmers and markets that still have to feed people when the "free" aid supply dries up.

https://www.theguardian.com/lifeands...987iwasworking

Feeding the hungry is really about establishing functioning markets under governments that don't take resources hostage.
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Imagine actually believing this.
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Imagine actually believing this.
Itís more irrational than believing in faeries. At least with faeries there isnít mountains of evidence against their existence.
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The blanket dissemination of the ideology of free market capitalism through the media and the purging, especially in academia, of critical voices have permitted our oligarchs to orchestrate the largest income inequality gap in the industrialized world. The top 1 percent in the United States own 40 percent of the nation’s wealth while the bottom 80 percent own only 7 percent, as Joseph E. Stiglitz wrote in “The Price of Inequality.” For every dollar that the wealthiest 0.1 percent amassed in 1980 they had an additional $3 in yearly income in 2008, David Cay Johnston explained in the article “9 Things the Rich Don’t Want You to Know About Taxes.” The bottom 90 percent, Johnson said, in the same period added only one cent. Half of the country is now classified as poor or low-income. The real value of the minimum wage has fallen by $2.77 since 1968. Oligarchs do not believe in self-sacrifice for the common good. They never have. They never will. They are the cancer of democracy.”We Americans are not usually thought to be a submissive people, but of course we are,” Wendell Berry writes. “Why else would we allow our country to be destroyed? Why else would we be rewarding its destroyers? Why else would we all — by proxies we have given to greedy corporations and corrupt politicians — be participating in its destruction? Most of us are still too sane to piss in our own cistern, but we allow others to do so and we reward them for it. We reward them so well, in fact, that those who piss in our cistern are wealthier than the rest of us. How do we submit? By not being radical enough. Or by not being thorough enough, which is the same thing.”

The rise of an oligarchic state offers a nation two routes, according to Aristotle. The impoverished masses either revolt to rectify the imbalance of wealth and power or the oligarchs establish a brutal tyranny to keep the masses forcibly enslaved. We have chosen the second of Aristotle’s options. The slow advances we made in the early 20th century through unions, government regulation, the New Deal, the courts, an alternative press and mass movements have been reversed. The oligarchs are turning us — as they did in the 19th century steel and textile factories — into disposable human beings. They are building the most pervasive security and surveillance apparatus in human history to keep us submissive.
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Everyone is subject to the human condition and everybody has the same kind of problems no matter how much wealth they have. I donate money all the time, but the most precious thing I donate is my time.
Honestly, good for you. Giving time is the most valuable and also the easiest to do when you don't have a lot of money, but aren't completely struggling.
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“There are only two or three human stories, and they go on repeating themselves as fiercely as if they had never happened before.” Willa Cather (my favorite writer, )
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Sorry, that's just not how it works.

You don't feed the hungry over the long term by shipping them money or supplies. In fact, trying to do so can have disastrous consequences the other way, like mowing down local farmers and markets that still have to feed people when the "free" aid supply dries up.

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Feeding the hungry is really about establishing functioning markets under governments that don't take resources hostage.
And what better resource to do this than with money?
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And what better resource to do this than with money?
You want multi-billionaires installing governments around the world?
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You want multi-billionaires installing governments around the world?
I want individuals to feed and shelter those who are food and shelter insecure. Once those two things are taken care of, the people can tackle corruption of government because they don't need to worry about where their next meal is coming from and can expend energy on fixing their country.
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This Republic had its beginning, and grew to its present strength, under the protection of certain inalienable political rights — among them the right of free speech, free press, free worship, trial by jury, freedom from unreasonable searches and seizures. They were our rights to life and liberty.

As our nation has grown in size and stature, however — as our industrial economy expanded — these political rights proved inadequate to assure us equality in the pursuit of happiness.

We have come to a clear realization of the fact that true individual freedom cannot exist without economic security and independence. "Necessitous men are not free men." People who are hungry and out of a job are the stuff of which dictatorships are made.

In our day these economic truths have become accepted as self-evident. We have accepted, so to speak, a second Bill of Rights under which a new basis of security and prosperity can be established for all — regardless of station, race, or creed.

Among these are:

The right to a useful and remunerative job in the industries or shops or farms or mines of the nation;

The right to earn enough to provide adequate food and clothing and recreation;

The right of every farmer to raise and sell his products at a return which will give him and his family a decent living;

The right of every businessman, large and small, to trade in an atmosphere of freedom from unfair competition and domination by monopolies at home or abroad;

The right of every family to a decent home;

The right to adequate medical care and the opportunity to achieve and enjoy good health;

The right to adequate protection from the economic fears of old age, sickness, accident, and unemployment;

The right to a good education.

All of these rights spell security. And after this war is won we must be prepared to move forward, in the implementation of these rights, to new goals of human happiness and well-being.

America's own rightful place in the world depends in large part upon how fully these and similar rights have been carried into practice for our citizens.

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